PS3 multiMAN won't rip PS2 on 4.90 CECHC03

[Incurable]

Using multiMAN I can't get PS2 games to rip from BD to HDD on CECHC Evilnat 4.90 and neither can a lot of people.

I had a machine at 4.89 and it wouldn't rip PS2, all I got were read errors. I updated another machine to 4.90 and it wouldn't rip PS2 to HDD, errors in the background again, gives up after 30 tries.

I took the 4.90 CEX to PEX to DEX then back to 4.84 Rebug R-DEX and it rips PS2 just fine.

Full disclosure I am a complete noob and never done any of this before so if I get names or terms wrong or got the whole thing back to front let me know but I know for a fact I am not the only one in this boat.

But I asked around and done some searches and see people with the same problem, though most people FTP on and couldn't tell me either way.

I am assuming this is a CECHC problem because no one on a CECHA or CECHB has this problem and it works fine for them, which actually led me to flash one console about 20 times, use 3 new HDD's and no less than 9 BR drives on.

I think I pretty much exhausted everything before rolling back, but my entire experience on the subject only amounts to about 18 hours in a single day so it could be something I am doing wrong. I thought at first it was a directory structure problem, it definitely says read errors rom ripping the PS2, however it still attempts to make an ISO and you end up with a faulty ISO that if you try and play you get locked into a black screen aka a crash.

 

[Joonie]

I remember dealing with this issue long time ago.... something related to lv2 pokes ... any thoughts ?
@Evilnat @aldostools ? it had something to do with multiMAN patches conflicting with built-in cobra patches IIRC.

 

[Evilnat]

Using multiMAN I can't get PS2 games to rip from BD to HDD on CECHC Evilnat 4.90 and neither can a lot of people.

I had a machine at 4.89 and it wouldn't rip PS2, all I got were read errors. I updated another machine to 4.90 and it wouldn't rip PS2 to HDD, errors in the background again, gives up after 30 tries.

I took the 4.90 CEX to PEX to DEX then back to 4.84 Rebug R-DEX and it rips PS2 just fine.

Full disclosure I am a complete noob and never done any of this before so if I get names or terms wrong or got the whole thing back to front let me know but I know for a fact I am not the only one in this boat.

But I asked around and done some searches and see people with the same problem, though most people FTP on and couldn't tell me either way.

I am assuming this is a CECHC problem because no one on a CECHA or CECHB has this problem and it works fine for them, which actually led me to flash one console about 20 times, use 3 new HDD's and no less than 9 BR drives on.

I think I pretty much exhausted everything before rolling back, but my entire experience on the subject only amounts to about 18 hours in a single day so it could be something I am doing wrong. I thought at first it was a directory structure problem, it definitely says read errors rom ripping the PS2, however it still attempts to make an ISO and you end up with a faulty ISO that if you try and play you get locked into a black screen aka a crash.

Did you try yo disable Cobra and try to RIP again with multiMAN? I don't know if there are other homebrew that do this (ManaGunZ, irisMAN...) but it would be helpful to know if it works or not

You can try to switch multiMAN to "multiMAN Mode" (or something like that), it will reboot multiMAN and you will be able to RIP BD/DVD

Quote from @eld213

wanted to add: I finally got it to work by choosing the option under multiman's mmCM menu: "Switch to multiMAN mode", reinserting the media, and trying again. I don't even know what this option is supposed to do or why it should make a difference.

I remember dealing with this issue long time ago.... something related to lv2 pokes ... any thoughts ?
@Evilnat @aldostools ? it had something to do with multiMAN patches conflicting with built-in cobra patches IIRC.

I don't know yet... I will take a look to see what is going on

 

[Incurable]

Did you try yo disable Cobra and try to RIP again with multiMAN? I don't know if there are other homebrew that do this (ManaGunZ, irisMAN...) but it would be helpful to know if it works or not

You can try to switch multiMAN to "multiMAN Mode" (or something like that), it will reboot multiMAN and you will be able to RIP BD/DVD

Quote from @eld213


I don't know yet... I will take a look to see what is going on

I've not tried much apart from the rollback, I'm a newbie using any JB stuff and I haven't had time to explore.

I'll have a poke around in a few days when I hopefully get time.

I don't know if it is worth mentioning but my 4.89 machine can rip PS3 games using the webmanmod in the man PS3 menu. This machine was set up at the start of March using bgtoolset that I hosted locally, the 4.90 machine won't rip from xmb using mm.

I was supposed to go back to that machine 2 days later, but here I am 8 months later just getting back to it all, so that's my only other 2 hours of experience with it.

 

[NiQ]

It's better to rip PS1 and PS2 games on a PC rather than on the PS3. They're standard format discs that any PC DVD drive can read. If your PC doesn't have an optical drive you can get one on eBay or Amazon for dirt cheap.
Use ImgBurn to rip the disc to ISO.

 

[Incurable]

It's better to rip PS1 and PS2 games on a PC rather than on the PS3. They're standard format discs that any PC DVD drive can read. If your PC doesn't have an optical drive you can get one on eBay or Amazon for dirt cheap.
Use ImgBurn to rip the disc to ISO.

It's not so much for me as it is for anyone without a PC, I'm ok with that but some people I know have no interest in a PC.

I can't believe it's been so long since I replied here, this is me just getting back around to it, it feels like only a few days since I started the thread.

 

[NiQ]

It's not so much for me as it is for anyone without a PC, I'm ok with that but some people I know have no interest in a PC.

I can't believe it's been so long since I replied here, this is me just getting back around to it, it feels like only a few days since I started the thread.

You can use a Raspberry Pi and a cheap USB DVD drive then. Costs less than $100 for both.

 

[Incurable]

Did you try yo disable Cobra and try to RIP again with multiMAN? I don't know if there are other homebrew that do this (ManaGunZ, irisMAN...) but it would be helpful to know if it works or not

You can try to switch multiMAN to "multiMAN Mode" (or something like that), it will reboot multiMAN and you will be able to RIP BD/DVD

Quote from @eld213


I don't know yet... I will take a look to see what is going on

I had to wait on another couple of PS3's being delivered but the results are in, sorry about the delay, honestly sorry about it, health issues, kids and domesticity ... 3 weeks to clean up and arrange the room I work in ooops Also double digit OGX, Felix's tantz, OX's, SNES, a few 360's ...

If I disable Cobra any option to rip is removed.
If I go into mm it disables Cobra and same again any option to rip any discs is removed.

I have things setup now so I can grab screen shots, record, stream etc. so if any screen are need that shouldn't be an issue, though the white doesn't look quite right on the PC so I guess I'll be spending another day sorting the hue, saturation and contrast out.

 

[Joonie]

I think ps2 iso ripping on cobra is only available when you're on mmCM mode if your unit is BC or Semi BC model. MultiMAN mode may only allow non BC to rip ISO for ps2classics conversion

 

[Incurable]

I think ps2 iso ripping on cobra is only available when you're on mmCM mode if your unit is BC or Semi BC model. MultiMAN mode may only allow non BC to rip ISO for ps2classics conversion

As soon as Cobra is disabled either via the firmware tools or when you enter mm and it gets disabled any option to rip disappears from the menu.

 

[Joonie]

As soon as Cobra is disabled either via the firmware tools or when you enter mm and it gets disabled any option to rip disappears from the menu.

I think that's probably because multiMAN doesn't detect your firmware correctly.. cobra payload is firmware independant on mmCM mode.

 

[aldostools]

As soon as Cobra is disabled either via the firmware tools or when you enter mm and it gets disabled any option to rip disappears from the menu.

multiMAN has 2 modes: mmCM mode that requires Cobra enabled and multiMAN mode (the original application).

Create ISO only appears on mmCM mode (NOTE: it doesn't appear in coverflow mode). Try from XMB mode.

Create ISO detects if it's a PSX / PS2 CD or PS2 DVD checking the license message in sector 4 to determine the region. It may not work if the region cannot be detected.

I suggest that test with another PS2 disc (if possible try CD and DVD). Maybe the bluray drive has difficulties reading the disc or the lens could be damaged.

If that doesn't work, try enabling QA flags and downgrade to Rebug 4.84 or 4.86 to check if it behaves different.

 

[Incurable]

multiMAN has 2 modes: mmCM mode that requires Cobra enabled and multiMAN mode (the original application).

Create ISO only appears on mmCM mode (NOTE: it doesn't appear in coverflow mode). Try from XMB mode.

Create ISO detects if it's a PSX / PS2 CD or PS2 DVD checking the license message in sector 4 to determine the region. It may not work if the region cannot be detected.

I suggest that test with another PS2 disc (if possible try CD and DVD). Maybe the bluray drive has difficulties reading the disc or the lens could be damaged.

If that doesn't work, try enabling QA flags and downgrade to Rebug 4.84 or 4.86 to check if it behaves different.

Yes it rips PS2 and PS3 fine in Rebug R-DEX 4.84, I have tried Evilnat's 4.89 and 4.90 as well and they only rip PS3.

I am using 2 x C03's and 9 x C03 BD drives to test and even pulled my DECHA's BD drive to try it. No one with a CECHA or B seems to have the problem, just CECHC I have seen people asking about so far.

Evilnat's gives read errors when trying to rip PS2, but will actually play the disc under 4.89 and 4.90 and using the exact same machine without changing the drive or anything else except the fw to Rebug 4.84 it will rip the exact same discs.

You have no idea how nuts it drove me, that's why I tried all my spare drives.

I tried for several weeks to get to the bottom of it in a couple of Discord channels before posting here.

 

[SKEPTiCK]

It's better to rip PS1 and PS2 games on a PC rather than on the PS3. They're standard format discs that any PC DVD drive can read. If your PC doesn't have an optical drive you can get one on eBay or Amazon for dirt cheap.
Use ImgBurn to rip the disc to ISO.

PC DVD drive alone is not surefire accuracy because some game discs not showing all files present on the media when inserted in the drive. I like to have an "extracted iso / raw files" copy as well as "re-built iso" copy with uLE at boot for using Codebreaker

Most game discs show their contents fine but here are some that don't show all (for me at least)

-SCUS97479: ATV Offroad Fury 4 (NFR)
-SLUS21050: Burnout 3 Takedown
-SLUS21409: Star Wars II Trilogy
-SCUS97198: Sly Cooper, Thievius Raccoonus
-Guitar Hero 1, 2 & 3 (originals + revisions)

So if it was better to rip on PC than PS3, I wouldn't have to go to my PS3 to get a proper (packed) ISO whenever my DVD drive wanted to act a fool or some disc had ridiculous A/P measures in place to prevent you from even making a proper backup.

*ends rant* but all in all, I think PS3 does exceptionally well (perhaps better than PC) at creating ISO images correctly and I don't know if I would count on my PC and ImgBurn to rip ISOs from those 7 or 8 games when they are keeping files inaccessible

It is noticed when hovering over your DVD drive when it is reading the disc, if that size does not match all of the files on the disc when highlighted then something is missing. Burnout 3 was about 0.80GB short on the inside compared to the outside.

 

[Agrippa]

Using multiMAN I can't get PS2 games to rip from BD to HDD on CECHC Evilnat 4.90 and neither can a lot of people.

I had a machine at 4.89 and it wouldn't rip PS2, all I got were read errors. I updated another machine to 4.90 and it wouldn't rip PS2 to HDD, errors in the background again, gives up after 30 tries.

I took the 4.90 CEX to PEX to DEX then back to 4.84 Rebug R-DEX and it rips PS2 just fine.

Full disclosure I am a complete noob and never done any of this before so if I get names or terms wrong or got the whole thing back to front let me know but I know for a fact I am not the only one in this boat.

But I asked around and done some searches and see people with the same problem, though most people FTP on and couldn't tell me either way.

I am assuming this is a CECHC problem because no one on a CECHA or CECHB has this problem and it works fine for them, which actually led me to flash one console about 20 times, use 3 new HDD's and no less than 9 BR drives on.

I think I pretty much exhausted everything before rolling back, but my entire experience on the subject only amounts to about 18 hours in a single day so it could be something I am doing wrong. I thought at first it was a directory structure problem, it definitely says read errors rom ripping the PS2, however it still attempts to make an ISO and you end up with a faulty ISO that if you try and play you get locked into a black screen aka a crash.

You have to insert a disc when the mmCM mode is enabled and try to dump the game. If it does not work (it will not likely), eject the disc, switch to the multiMAN mode and back, then try again.

Thankfully, there is a better solution - use a ManaGunZ instead!

PC DVD drive alone is not surefire accuracy because some game discs not showing all files present on the media when inserted in the drive. I like to have an "extracted iso / raw files" copy as well as "re-built iso" copy with uLE at boot for using Codebreaker

Most game discs show their contents fine but here are some that don't show all (for me at least)

-SCUS97479: ATV Offroad Fury 4 (NFR)
-SLUS21050: Burnout 3 Takedown
-SLUS21409: Star Wars II Trilogy
-SCUS97198: Sly Cooper, Thievius Raccoonus
-Guitar Hero 1, 2 & 3 (originals + revisions)

So if it was better to rip on PC than PS3, I wouldn't have to go to my PS3 to get a proper (packed) ISO whenever my DVD drive wanted to act a fool or some disc had ridiculous A/P measures in place to prevent you from even making a proper backup.

*ends rant* but all in all, I think PS3 does exceptionally well (perhaps better than PC) at creating ISO images correctly and I don't know if I would count on my PC and ImgBurn to rip ISOs from those 7 or 8 games when they are keeping files inaccessible

It is noticed when hovering over your DVD drive when it is reading the disc, if that size does not match all of the files on the disc when highlighted then something is missing. Burnout 3 was about 0.80GB short on the inside compared to the outside.

PS2 ISO files dumped on the PS3 or PC are bit by bit the same, regardless if the files inside have been hidden or not.

 

[Incurable]

OK, if I say something wrong here, please, give me a break ... I've been at this non stop for 40hrs ...

I now have both ripping PS3 and PS2 on 4.90 as well as 4.84.

What did I do?

Used the last version of mm I used originally in the 4.89 machine because Brewology won't let me connect.

multiMAN_04.85.01_BASE_(20191010).pkg.714.v04.85.01_brewology_com.pkg -date I downloaded was 8th March this year.

Edit: TBH I had more to say but it's went out my head so after I get a sleep I'll see if I can even remember again.

Edit 2: OK, progress, I can rip using mm on 4.84 rebug as well as Evilnat's 4.89 and 4.90 ... something seems off though ... I can't rip using mm which I could under rebug and my original 4.89 install, when I put the original 4.89 to 4.90 all the games ripped under 4.89 work, but not the 4.90. This is annoying. But more importantly using older software versions I can now rip PS2 and PS3 in multiman and launch from webman.

The last game I ripped using webman didn't work, however, it ripped the iso to PS3iso, not Games, every other time it has ripped to games ... I will work this out but now I have mm ripping PS2 and PS3 and webman playing from xmb working I can handle that.

I like being able to go into webman in the XMB and seeing the list instead of the mm way and tbh I only like mm for the ripping. I also like the temps etc. on screen from webman, but the ripping part is sort of a deal breaker.

No hardware changes, only FW and versions of apps changes and I have experienced black screens and 80010017 so many times I don't even have to look it up now, I will probably forget after a sleep

But those are common problems from what I can see and so far I have used 4 PS3's, 10 bd's, one from a DECHA00A and 11 hard drives and the controllers are wireless. But I'm inexperienced and these are the first PS3's I have ever owned (I never had the cash for one), but if I am making a mistake it's a common one.

I've learned a lot doing this like Shaun White Snowboarding is the best game I have to rip because it takes about 7 minutes or something and I wasted time using The Last Of Us and Bioshock Infinite to test ripping, temps yes, efficiency no.

I need to remember to take a screenshot of all the stuff I originally used to JB the one that fully worked and post it, someone may notice something. I will try and recreate the same scenario at a later date, not too late though hopefully.

Anyway, beer and sleep now ... or beer then sleep ... whatever. I will be back with results but not this week. This week I have to learn how to revive another DECHA00A that's deader than the one I had or have or whatever and a DECHJ, so apologies if I am being annoying.

 

[Yugonibblit]

I've been dealing with the same problem on 2 consoles CECHB01, using multiman (newest version) both ripped PS2 games fine until I updated to cfw 4.92 evilnat cex (oc). I was thinking it was PS2 net emu or something to do with that. If I downgrade everything back to before I updated everything works fine

 

[Yugonibblit]

Got discs to read!, I installed multi man 4.85.1 base