PS3 Need Power Prong Measurements

[finalman]

As the topic says I need some measurements of the two main 12v and GND power progs on CECH-Hxx, CECH-Jxx, CECH-Kxx, CECH-Lxx, CECH-Mxx, CECH-Pxx, CECH-Qxx, CECH-20xx, CECH-21xx and CECH-30xx or more specifically the following motherboard versions DIA-00x, VER-00x, DYN-00x, SUR-00x and KTE-00x.

I'm currently making up PC ATX power supply wire adapters to suite all PS3 models but I don't have access to those PS3 versions.

The three measurements that I need are:

1. The thickness of each prong.
2. The width of each prong.
3. The gap between the two prongs.

Hopefully some one with a set of callipers can get me those measurements.

 

[DoublesAdvocate]

As the topic says I need some measurements of the two main 12v and GND power progs on CECH-Hxx, CECH-Jxx, CECH-Kxx, CECH-Lxx, CECH-Mxx, CECH-Pxx, CECH-Qxx, CECH-20xx, CECH-21xx and CECH-30xx or more specifically the following motherboard versions DIA-00x, VER-00x, DYN-00x, SUR-00x and KTE-00x.

I'm currently making up PC ATX power supply wire adapters to suite all PS3 models but I don't have access to those PS3 versions.

The three measurements that I need are:

1. The thickness of each prong.
2. The width of each prong.
3. The gap between the two prongs.

Hopefully some one with a set of callipers can get me those measurements.

https://www.psdevwiki.com/ps3/Power_Supply

 

[finalman]

Unfortunately that page does not contain any measurements for the prongs.

I have found the perfect crimp/lug for CECH-25xx PS3 slims that should match all slim versions and hopefully the later version PS3 FAT motherboards with the square prongs but I need those measurements just to be sure.

 

[finalman]

I have de-soldered the prong receptacle connector inside an early model PS3 FAT power supply so that takes care of all PS3 motherboard versions that have the cylindrical prongs.

The PS4 and PS4 Pro prong receptacle connector inside the PS4 power supply which I've de-soldered perfectly fit super slim PS3s as well as all PS4 models.

 

[DoublesAdvocate]

Unfortunately that page does not contain any measurements for the prongs.

I have found the perfect crimp/lug for CECH-25xx PS3 slims that should match all slim versions and hopefully the later version PS3 FAT motherboards with the square prongs but I need those measurements just to be sure.

It has the exact measurements you asked for each model, you didn't even look.
The bigger issue I think you'll run into is the 5V and 5.5V connector, I'm not sure that they're cross compatible.
To be clear are you trying to find receptacles that will work with all consoles? The original COK, DEB, and SEM boards have round plugs, the rest are flat/square so you've got a problem right there.

 

[finalman]

It has the exact measurements you asked for each model, you didn't even look.

Actually the later FAT models the ones I'm after with the rectangular prongs are listed as "same than slim ?" Do they mean same as slim?

Also the super slims are listed as "same than slim ?" but the prongs are not the same as the regular slims.

The bigger issue I think you'll run into is the 5V and 5.5V connector, I'm not sure that they're cross compatible.

Within 10% tolerance which everyone I've spoken to seems to think it'll be fine. I asked about any known failures using the different voltage and no one replied with any details on failures during their use.

To be clear are you trying to find receptacles that will work with all consoles? The original COK, DEB, and SEM boards have round plugs, the rest are flat/square so you've got a problem right there.

I'm doing multiple adapter cable versions. I should only need to make 3.

1. I have de-soldered the cylindrical prong receptacle connector from inside an early model PS3 FAT power supply so that takes care of all PS3 motherboard versions that have the cylindrical prongs.
2. I have found the perfect crimp/lug for CECH-25xx PS3 slims that should match all slim versions and hopefully the later version PS3 FAT motherboards with the square prongs
3. The PS4 and PS4 Pro prong receptacle connector inside the PS4 power supply which I've de-soldered perfectly fits super slim PS3s as well as all PS4 models.

 

[DoublesAdvocate]

Actually the later FAT models the ones I'm after with the rectangular prongs are listed as "same than slim ?" Do they mean same as slim?

Also the super slims are listed as "same than slim ?" but the prongs are not the same as the regular slims.

That part is a bit more confusing but as far as I'm aware all slims should be cross compatible for pin pitch and thickness, they do vary by a small amount for example the 30XX and 40XX pins are about ~0.25mm thick and ~1mm wide but the pins on a 25XX are ~0.5mm thick and ~3mm wide. The friction fit connector used on the PSU side for each of them is both long enough and thick enough to fit all of them in reality though.

As for the other phat models with the rectangular prongs I believe they use the same pitch as other consoles as well but they're too thick/the wrong shape to fit in any other PSU.

 

[sandungas]

Unfortunately that page does not contain any measurements for the prongs.

Actually the later FAT models the ones I'm after with the rectangular prongs are listed as "same than slim ?" Do they mean same as slim?

Also the super slims are listed as "same than slim ?" but the prongs are not the same as the regular slims.

The dimmensions of the plugs are in the table:
2x cylindrical plugs, length=18mm, Ø=3.5mm, pitch=12mm
2x plane plugs, length=20mm, width=3.5mm, thickness=1mm, pitch=7mm

It was me who made that meassurements, with a caliper, but i only had 2 PS3 consoles... for prevention i filled the table for the other PS3 models with sentences like... "same than slim?" to indicate that im not completly sure about them (and i didnt wanted to make assumptions)

But if you ask my personal oppinion... i think the PS3 models marked as "same than slim?" on the table are exactly the same than slim
Mostly because sony doesnt needs to redesign stuff constantly... you know... if something works is better to dont change it

The only argument they had to redesign that plugs is to make them smaller because they was reducing the watts of the PSU models along the PS3 history
But reducing his size would make them more prone to break and it was not going to reduce manufacturing costs much... so... meh... not much worthy

 

[finalman]

It was me who made that meassurements

On the topic of the psdevwiki website has anyone tried to add/modify stuff recently. I tried to add/modify some PS3 stuff recently and it said I had to do a capture to complete the edit but the capture never appeared. On the PS4 side of the website I wanted to add pictures of the missing power supplies models but it kept giving errors.

I wonder if anyone is even checking up on it these days.

 

[DoublesAdvocate]

On the topic of the psdevwiki website has anyone tried to add/modify stuff recently. I tried to add/modify some PS3 stuff recently and it said I had to do a capture to complete the edit but the capture never appeared. On the PS4 side of the website I wanted to add pictures of the missing power supplies models but it kept giving errors.

I wonder if anyone is even checking up on it these days.

The captcha? Yeah I get that error when I try to create new pages too, no idea how to solve it since I'm not using any sort of ad block or script blocker on the wiki.

 

[finalman]

I have added the missing power prong measurements from CECHHxx to CECHPxx model numbers into the PS3 dev wiki power supply article.

What I got on my CECHK02:

Length - 22mm
Thickness - 1.25mm
Width - 4.5mm
Pitch - 9mm

So actually late model FATs prong are farther apart then the slims.

 

[sandungas]

I have added the missing power prong measurements from CECHHxx to CECHPxx model numbers into the PS3 dev wiki power supply article.

Those measurements are:

Length - 22mm
Thickness - 1.25mm
Width - 4.5mm
Pitch - 9mm

So actually late model FATs prong are farther apart then the slims.

Thanks, interesting detail, they really reduced the size of the plane plugs for the slim models... a very small reduction, i never realized about it
Is a consequence of the power requirements of the console... now im wondering if they made another reduction of that plugs for superslim

 

[finalman]

The super slims are very similar to the PS4 prongs. They have the same pin pitch but I think I remember the pins are not very wide. Didn't think to get the measurements for them when I had one apart recently. I don't like taking the super slims apart because each time I do it breaks plastic clips on those two plastic top case parts on the front and back of the PS3.

Also did you do the PS3 slim pin pitch measurement because on a CECH-2502 I got a pin pitch of 8mm.

The pin pitch it the distance between the two pins at their centre in thickness right?

What I got on my CECH-2502:

Thickness - 0.9mm
Width - 3.5mm
Pitch - 8mm

UPDATE: Just thought I'd add that info on the pin pitch encase someone had the same idea as me to build a universal power prong wiring adapter to use with both late model FAT and slim PS3s by harvesting the prong receptacle from a PS3 power supply. Although it's only a 1-2mm difference it's enough to create a problem.

 

[sandungas]

Also did you do the PS3 slim pin pitch measurement because on a CECH-2502 I got a pin pitch of 8mm.

The pin pitch it the distance between the two pins at their centre in thickness right?

Im checking again in a CECH-25xx with JSD-001
Im meassuring the pitch in between plugs by placing the caliper in horizontal in between the base of the plugs, i have 7mm exactly
In other words... im not counting the "thickness" of the metal plugs itself, lets say... we have
1mm(plug thickness) <---7mm(pitch)---> 1mm(plug thickness)



*The height (meassured from the plastic base) is a bit bigger than the 20mm i wrote in wiki... i would say is something around 20.3mm but i rounded it to simplify it, we are talking about few decimals of milimeters

 

[sandungas]

Btw @finalman im guesing the pitch of 9mm from your CECHK02 was meassured from the center of the plugs ?
Im asking because in that case we have a problem with the table in wiki and the 7mm i said for the slims

In other words... im not counting the "thickness" of the metal plugs itself, lets say... we have
1mm(plug thickness) <---7mm(pitch)---> 1mm(plug thickness)

If we count from the center, the total sum would be 0.5mm + 7mm + 0.5mm ... total the 8 mm you said

I agree that is more technical to calculate the pitch from his centers, but this detail is one of that things tricky to explain when we was creating that table in wiki
The solution i took was to indicate it with the <abbr> (hidden text), if you hover your mouse on top of the underlined texts: "plugs pitch" you will see that in the cilyndrical plugs it tells "distance in between plugs center"... and the others for the plane plugs just tells "distance in between plugs" (doesnt specifyes his centers)

That was my way to try to explain that for the plane plugs i was not messuring them from his center... but i guess the idea is not working very good, and i agree with you, is better to meassure all them from his centers

So feel free to replace the pitch of 7mm i wrote by 8mm... and modify too that hidden texts to tell in all them that the pitch is "distance in between plugs centers"

 

[finalman]

Thanks I fixed it up. Yeah when I think of pitch on ICs it's the distance between the legs at their centres.

I might finish up adding the super slims tomorrow though really only a minor detail and pretty much useless just having the measurements. As when picking cable lugs/crimps lugs I just pour a whole heap out and went through testing ones that looked to fit.

Thankfully I found the perfect cable lugs/crimps match CECHGxx-CECHPxx and Slims. I've had to de-solder the prong/plug receptacle from a PS3 APS-231 power supply to be used for CECHAxx-CECHGxx model PS3s as not even banana RC plugs are a snug fit. These are all for my universal PC ATX power supply to PS3 power adapter.

 

[sandungas]

Thanks I fixed it up. Yeah when I think of pitch on ICs it's the distance between the legs at their centres.

Is better that way, when i decided to use 2 different ways to meassure the pitch i was trying to make it easyer for noobs (most people doesnt knows or imagines is needed to calculate where is the center of each pin), but i have to admit that decission was a bit controversial
For techy people like you (that was aware of how the pitch is calculated) it was looking a bit weird

I might finish up adding the super slims tomorrow though really only a minor detail and pretty much useless just having the measurements. As when picking cable lugs/crimps lugs I just pour a whole heap out and went through testing ones that looked to fit.

Nice, this is going to complete that column of the table
Btw, i suggest to use some rounding to limit the values to a precission of 0.25mm or so
I mean... 0.5mm is half a milimeter... and 0.25 is a quarter of a milimeter... it doesnt makes much sense to go to higher precission... specially because we are going to have very small imprecissions when other people meassures it
Lets say.. maybe for you is 1.37mm and for other people is 1.21mm... but wasting time discussing about it is pointless.. is better to round them a bit and end of the story

Thankfully I found the perfect cable lugs/crimps match CECHGxx-CECHPxx and Slims. I've had to de-solder the prong/plug receptacle from a PS3 APS-231 power supply to be used for CECHAxx-CECHGxx model PS3s as not even banana RC plugs are a snug fit. These are all for my universal PC ATX power supply to PS3 power adapter.

Btw, for your adapter (and any other mod) related wit the plane plugs, one of the easyest ways to achieve a nice electrical connection is with this connectors named "faston terminals" (female type)

Are very common in automotive industry (cars, bikes, etc...) and are very easy to find locally... you just need to find a garage where are repaired cars/bikes and ask them if they can sell you some, or indicate where to buy them
There are some models with a plastic cover, or you can use plastic shrinking tube to prevent shorcuts, the finishing is nice, safe and relliable

And btw... it doesnt matters much if the width of this "faston terminals" is a bit bigger than the width of the PS3 plugs... as you can see in the image the contact "metal versus metal" where is applyed all the pressure happens at the center of it (not at the sides)

 

[finalman]

Just finished my adapter before seeing your post....Do these look something like it...BAM...

I spread the "wings" (the things that fold over the wire insulation) out on the end of the lug/crimp connector so 3pins each side of the PCIe connector touched the lug/crimp "wings". Then soldered the pins to the lug/crimp.

PCIe 6pin to PS3 12v and GNDs.

Already tested it under load and the adapter only becomes warm so should be electrically safe.

 

[finalman]

Nice, this is going to complete that column of the table

Added.

Also the CECH-3000s are grouped with the super slim plugs but I'm unsure if they have the same plugs as the CECH-2500s. I don't think I did that and I assume they were grouped like that for space reasons as the prong text wouldn't fit.

I don't have a CECH-3000 motherboard to take measurements from.

If the 3000s plug grouping is wrong feel free to fix that if you know how.

 

[sandungas]

Just finished my adapter before seeing your post....Do these look something like it...BAM...

I spread the "wings" (the things that fold over the wire insulation) out on the end of the lug/crimp connector so 3pins each side of the PCIe connector touched the lug/crimp "wings". Then soldered the pins to the lug/crimp.

PCIe 6pin to PS3 12v and GNDs.

Already tested it under load and the adapter only becomes warm so should be electrically safe.

Very nice, minimalistic and solid
After writing my post i was thinking that is posible to bend them at 45º at the middle, this way allows to insert them down to the bottom, but by doing this it would not match so well with the PCIe 6pin connector as your design

Dunno, maybe there is other way with other design using that same faston terminals that allows to "insert" them down to bottom, but i guess is not going to be so clean as yours
As said, good work, thats a winner design for sure
Now you need to imagine the best way to isolate it, some shrinking tube (small size for the plugs + big size for the whole thing) could be the cherry on top of the cake
Or you could use some silicone/thermal glue with a mold to create a big "cube"