PS5 Official PS5 teardown video

I dont like the decission they took about integrating the SSD controller/chips into the motherboard, by doing this it means it cant be replaced
The fan is awesome though, very "industrial" designed
 
I like this video explanation by Sony. This 7 min video explains more about console than all the half baked media releases we have been seeing since quite some time. Does Microsoft has same with their upcoming XBox?

The custom HDD controller integrated on motherboard with irremovable HDD shows why PS5 has a low RAM. PS5 HDD is actually like a RAM in itself with very fast data transfer rates.
 
Btw, an small detail i liked is the flexibility of the side panels, have you noticed how he bends them at a corner to remove them ? :D
I think nobody imagined that, before this video there was a lot of duscussions about that panels, how was attached with some kind of "clips", and how was going to be removed
Now is clear, it seems are made with some flexible plastic... and yeah... there is going to be maaaaany companies doing un-official panels for the PS5, because is the kind of thing that can be made for cheap
So if someone wants to have a PS5 fully black... just wait a bit and you are going to be able to buy that panels for 15$ free shipping
 
I actually said that some time ago. Those white flaps looked removable to me. In fact, its possible that many game companies may launch their custom flaps for PS5 to match the theme of games. Maybe 3rd party flaps of various themes will also be available in the future.
 
Yep, i thought they was going to release "bundles" with the panels decorated in different colors, with logos of some games, etc...
As example, a "gran turismo bundle" with the GT logo printed in huge in the panels

But now i realize is not needed, is better to sell the standard design and sell the panels separatedly... and in that sense sony is not going to be able to compete with the prices of the chinese manufacturers
So in some way they have "opened" that market for other companies to join in the design of that panels
I like it because is better for the user, and they was not going to make much money selling that panels under the sony brand anyway... are just plastic so there is an small revenue in selling them
Sony makes his money selling electronics, not plastics :D
 
Probably going to be a while before I get one but I have to give sony some mad props on the fact of you can clean the dust and remove/clean the fan without voiding the warranty and add addition storage to the system where before we had to swap out the entire drive.
 
Combatxlemming said:
Probably going to be a while before I get one but I have to give sony some mad props on the fact of you can clean the dust and remove/clean the fan without voiding the warranty and add addition storage to the system where before we had to swap out the entire drive.
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Hmm, i didnt realized about it but you are right, it allows to remove/replace the fan without voiding the warranty sticker, and i guess it allows also to replace the 3v battery cell (located in a corner next to the fan)
 
I liked it, but what I don't like is that SSD controller, it's bga, so we could have a problem there, same with the apu. About the integrated SSD, don't care that much, almost every SSD will die with time, and the 2nd tray is for the replacement and to be used as main SSD once the OG dies. (What I think they kept in mind..)

The cooling system is the real MVP here, I wanna see how good those temps are with that massive apu.

I don't think I will buy it in the next months, since we have a economic crisis over here, and there's no game that makes me have one right now.
 
ElGris said:
About the integrated SSD, don't care that much, almost every SSD will die with time, and the 2nd tray is for the replacement and to be used as main SSD once the OG dies. (What I think they kept in mind..)
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We don't know if the 2nd HDD will be usable if primary on board HDD dies. The firmware will most likely be loaded in on board HDD, and if it dies, the system won't boot. I am just speculating. But i don't think Sony will give you option to use primary or secondary HDD. Also, if HDD controller has problems, than both drives will be useless.

By the way, i think Sony has kept these things in mind so may be using the best components and manufacturing technology in building PS3 motherboard. Everything is on the motherboard with APU, RAM HDD memory etc. A very compact design.

@sandungas

Can you explain the liquid metal cooling? Won't this liquid metal has risk of spilling onto motherboard creating short circuits?
 
snkplkn said:
We don't know if the 2nd HDD will be usable if primary on board HDD dies. The firmware will most likely be loaded in on board HDD, and if it dies, the system won't boot. I am just speculating. But i don't think Sony will give you option to use primary or secondary HDD.

@sandungas

Can you explain the liquid metal cooling? Won't this liquid metal has risk of spilling onto motherboard creating short circuits?
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Of course is the logical path. In this case the console isn't just a very cheap laptop with integrated SSD and no 2nd tray. Once you access the bios, you could easily change that, if it's not automatically. I don't see Sony selling a console that won't have this feature, 'cause it would be the maximum trolling since the PS3 era and the YLOD.

About the liquid metal, I don't know if it's a good idea putting that over a die. They say it's "home made", but watch this..

 
The other day i did read not much time ago there was a company (not sure if it was apple or microsoft) arguing that liquid metal cant be used in mass production. Now sony is going to do it, and they are going to manufacture millions of PS5 units :rolleyes:
They said they have been working in this liquid metal idea since a couple of years ago, i guess they have developed some machines for the production in factories that applyes the liquid metal very accuratelly (covering all the DIE surface, and the exact amount of it), we will see what happens

Btw, keep in mind the PS5 heatsink and fan are designed for cooliing 3 "hotspots" (APU, SSD1, and SSD2)
At launch all the PS5's of the world are going to have only 2 hotspots (APU and SSD1), but when people starts adding the secondary SSD2 the console is going to be a bit hotter

The SSD1 soldered in the motherboard sucks, if at some point there is a problem in the SSD1 flash chips then the whole motherboard can be considered "damaged" (because we cant replace the SSD1 easilly)... and the whole motherboard will have to be repaired and/or thrown into a graveyard
Is retarded imo, i guess one of the reasons why they did this is because they doesnt wants hackers to mess around with SSD1
/rant
 
ElGris said:
Once you access the bios, you could easily change that, if it's not automatically.
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There is no BIOS in Consoles. At least not something accessible for consumers. Maybe Sony service centers have this option. The console only works from firmware. To have both primary & secondary HDD usable, firmware has to installed on both HDD and this a weird set up for a console. I think firmware will be installed only on board HDD while secondary HDD will be supplemental where you can install Games etc. Details may become clear with time.
 
sandungas said:
The other day i did read not much time ago there was a company (not sure if it was apple or microsoft) arguing that liquid metal cant be used in mass production. Now sony is going to do it, and they are going to manufacture millions of PS5 units :rolleyes:
They said they have been working in this liquid metal idea since a couple of years ago, i guess they have developed some machines for the production in factories that applyes the liquid metal very accuratelly (covering all the DIE surface, and the exact amount of it), we will see what happens

Btw, keep in mind the PS5 heatsink and fan are designed for cooliing 3 "hotspots" (APU, SSD1, and SSD2)
At launch all the PS5's of the world are going to have only 2 hotspots (APU and SSD1), but when people starts adding the secondary SSD2 the console is going to be a bit hotter

The SSD1 soldered in the motherboard sucks, if at some point there is a problem in the SSD1 flash chips then the whole motherboard can be considered "damaged" (because we cant replace the SSD1 easilly)... and the whole motherboard will have to be repaired and/or thrown into a graveyard
Is retarded imo, i guess one of the reasons why they did this is because they doesnt wants hackers to mess around with SSD1
/rant
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1. If consumers want to replace thermal paste after 2-3 years, how can they install liquid metal if the process is complicated?

2. I have never used SSD. I don't know if its really a problem from thermal point of view. Is it? The HDD controller does seem to have thermal paste applied on it so it will run hot. How much? I don't have any idea. But i am certain that quality of these chips will be top notch as these are very critical part of console since they are pretty much irreplaceable. I actually see them as a kind of RAM chips.
 
snkplkn said:
There is no BIOS in Consoles. At least not something accessible for consumers. Maybe Sony service centers have this option. The console only works from firmware. To have both primary & secondary HDD usable, firmware has to installed on both HDD and this a weird set up for a console. I think firmware will be installed only on board HDD while secondary HDD will be supplemental where you can install Games etc. Details may become clear with time.
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And a firmware is a bios. No matter if it's different from a normal PC's bios, you have it right there. Sony could easily have managed this issue by adding a "SSD selector" in a service menu, like the one we have on PS3.

Firmware is never installed (maybe partially in some cases) on a HDD/SSD, but the system is a different story. And I'm talking about the system. How's that a PS4 boots up without the HDD? Because it has a NOR chip where the firmware is located.

We only need an option to put the new system installation, nothing else. And by seeing how a damaged SSD behaves, we could have a dead one, another one with reading/writing issues, speeds problems, etc.

That option NEEDS to be there. Otherwise, big trolling move coming from Sony.
 
The SSD controller chip could be hot (some goes over 70ºC), but depends a lot of how the controller was made, who made it, and the requirements sony requested to the SSD controller manufacturer, thats why some time ago i was wondering who is producing that SSD controller/chips... it could be samsung, hynix, phison
The 3 companies was good candidates, for different reasons. Samsung is able to build a fast SSD controller but also they can provide the flash chips and the RAM chips. Hynix can do the same than samsung too and probably cheaper. And phision probably is the most cheaper but they cant supply the flash and RAM chips
By looking at the video i could not see who made that components

Anyway... considering his speeds i bet is going to be in the "top tier" of the hottests SSD's (so something over 65ºC for sure)
And for the secondary SSD's (that needs to pass the sony validation) there is only 1 serious candidate, announced a couple of weeks ago, the samsung 980 PRO
Take a read at this review, is very interesting https://www.anandtech.com/show/16087/the-samsung-980-pro-pcie-4-ssd-review

Im completly sure the samsung 980 PRO is going to pass the sony validation to be used in PS5
 
sandungas said:
Hmm, i didnt realized about it but you are right, it allows to remove/replace the fan without voiding the warranty sticker, and i guess it allows also to replace the 3v battery cell (located in a corner next to the fan)
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It doesn't just open that up it means that all the stupid fan mods that people used to do which porbably made some of the consoles worse will no longer be needed since you could just swap out the side panels for better airflow ones (Since they are easily swapped) and be so much easier to replace when they fail since no fan lasts forever.
 
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