PS3 Slim CECH-20xx, CECH-21xx, CECH-25xx what's best?

[Alister]

CECH-20xx
Runs hotter has the bigger 65nm RSX uses more power, maybe louder? uses the same capacitors prone to breaking the same ones the fat uses that lead to rlod, can be delided

CECH-21xx
Not as hot uses more efficient smaller 40nm RSX doesn't have those capacitors that break, maybe quieter? uses less power, can be delided

That's everything I've been able to find myself, i no both of those can be jailbroken without much worry.

CECH-25xx
I no you have to use minvercheck and only half work for CFW, i also see a few people here claiming there the best, with no explanation provided why this is true this model was released 5 months after 21xx

Only some of those models can be delided due to been glued down not made for it? any disadvantage not been able to do this?

Why is this the best? is it simply the best because it's hard to find one that works with CFW and in the end it's simply a placebo and there's nothing better about it at all over 21xx?

If there's actually a real reason beyond been able to tell people you got the rare one then i might be interested in locating one, but all google searches about this model reveal nothing really and only two members here say it's good.

Appreciate any help.

Thanks.

 

[Coro]

CECH-20xx
Runs hotter has the bigger 65nm RSX uses more power, maybe louder? uses the same capacitors prone to breaking the same ones the fat uses that lead to rlod, can be delided

CECH-21xx
Not as hot uses more efficient smaller 40nm RSX doesn't have those capacitors that break, maybe quieter? uses less power, can be delided

That's everything I've been able to find myself, i no both of those can be jailbroken without much worry.

CECH-25xx
I no you have to use minvercheck and only half work for CFW, i also see a few people here claiming there the best, with no explanation provided why this is true this model was released 5 months after 21xx

Only some of those models can be delided due to been glued down not made for it? any disadvantage not been able to do this?

Why is this the best? is it simply the best because it's hard to find one that works with CFW and in the end it's simply a placebo and there's nothing better about it at all over 21xx?

If there's actually a real reason beyond been able to tell people you got the rare one then i might be interested in locating one, but all google searches about this model reveal nothing really and only two members here say it's good.

Appreciate any help.

Thanks.

i only say 25xx is better (if its cfw compatable) because the bdvd drive can be removed/swapped without "remarry" or update loop problems. and of course less electricity use.

 

[Naked_Snake1995]

From my personal experience and ownership, i had the 2500 Series run hotter than 2000 or 2100 Series, all of them delided and repaste, size lithography is not always translated to cooler or more efficient chips, between a 65nm and a 40nm the difference is minimal to none, plus they both can run at the same Voltage, around the 1.2V to 1.5V range, which is the norm for a 2005 GPU.

Id say the 2100 Series is the best of both worlds, while the 2500 is best due the removal of the BD Dautherboard, i had bad experiences with that model mainly the Blackout, which is a plague with the 2500 Series and above,but again milage and opinions may vary.

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[sandungas]

Additionally to the improvements mentioned for the CECH-25xx... the LAN chip and wifi/BT module are updated, and all the bluray components of course, the whole BD components was revised for CECH-25xx (is not only the BD controller, but also the laser)
In few words, if you compare CECH-25xx with CECH-21xx you have:
-New network components
-New Bluray components

I have 2 CECH-25xx and my experience is that works nice, i think the CECH-25xx is the "hot spot" of the PS3 familly, not only because is the last PS3 model compatible with CFW, but because in CECH-30xx they started reducing manufacturing costs too much

For comparison purposes, take a look at this tables: https://www.psdevwiki.com/ps3/Talk:SKU_Models#PS3_Slim

 

[Alister]

Thanks for your opinions.

Well I believe with all CECH-25xx will have either a DateCode number or Manufacturing date listed on the back.

Is it possible to be 110% certain of finding a CFW compatible CECH-25xx with these? assuming it isn't refurbished with another models motherboard inside the CECH-25xx case.

Also is there any issues with the CECH-25xx models that can't be delidded at all, like long term high temps, parts burning out ect?

Unsure what these Blackout issues with the CECH-25xx series are?

How much of a temperature difference are we talking about with the delidded repasted CECH-25xx vs CECH-21xx anything really significant or 1 or 2 degrees? all using same paste? maybe paste on one was years old needing replacing, many factors...

 

[Coro]

Thanks for your opinions.

Well I believe with all CECH-25xx will have either a DateCode number or Manufacturing date listed on the back.

Is it possible to be 110% certain of finding a CFW compatible CECH-25xx with these? assuming it isn't refurbished with another models motherboard inside the CECH-25xx case.

Also is there any issues with the CECH-25xx models that can't be delidded at all, like long term high temps, parts burning out ect?

Unsure what these Blackout issues with the CECH-25xx series are?

How much of a temperature difference are we talking about with the delidded repasted CECH-25xx vs CECH-21xx anything really significant or 1 or 2 degrees? all using same paste? maybe paste on one was years old needing replacing, many factors...

https://www.psdevwiki.com/ps3/SKU_Models

if made in JAN 2010 to AUG/SEPT 2010 should be cfw compatable (unless refurbished or owner swapped motherboard).

if made OCT 2010 to DEC 2010, i think should be cfw compatable but maybe i am wrong.

if made JAN 2011, can not be sure without test.

if made in FEB 2011 or after, NOT cfw compatable.

easy test to be sure is minver pup or use bgtoolset.

so avoid 2011 models. try to find early/mid 2010. if you can only find late 2010 model, test it if you can.

**i may be wrong and ps3 may be refurbished/modified so it always best to test if you can!

EDIT:
your other questions i do not know.

 

[Cypher_CG89]

Also is there any issues with the CECH-25xx models that can't be delidded at all,

There shouldn't be an issue with de-lidding on these models, IIRC it was only certain CECH4****+ models where the IHS was soldered to the die of the CELL/B, but there have been some quite recent post on here which have shown some rarity in other model PS3's having soldered IHS's to the CELL/BE.

Though de-lid any CELL/BE at your own risk as one small scratch is enough to cut traces and kill a PS3.

How much of a temperature difference are we talking about with the delidded repasted CECH-25xx vs CECH-21xx anything really significant or 1 or 2 degrees? all using same paste? maybe paste on one was years old needing replacing, many factors

That's highly dependant on the quality of the job done, what thermal compounds were used and the ambient temps the PS3 is in.

 

[SR4NK4R]

I have a 2504B 3.40 minver no delid now 89 days old of use, and owned 3 2004B/A's (no delid, from my experience its only the RSX on 2504B is 2/3 degrees celcius hotter on XMB.
The CPU is almost the same..

But i kept my 2504B the BD is enough reason for me to keep it.

The temperature does not really matter for me.. while i have a 3004B version that goes never above RSX 62 on syscon while gaming (cant remember the CPU).
My 2504B is at: CPU 71, RSX 79.
2004Bs: CPU 67/69, RSX 77/78.
I just stopped at 79 before its getting too dangerous.
Game: gta 5 stressing the game to max temps.
This was tested in the winter season.

Its not hard to get one just ask multiple people at once if you can till you get a CFW possible one, look for 160gb or 320gb.

 

[Md Hesam]

What PS3 Super Slim CECH-40XX about life time?
Does this is the best series for ps3?
I have this one
one year gone it still working with smoothly
RSX & GPU Temp. always 50C-70C

 

[SR4NK4R]

What PS3 Super Slim CECH-40XX about life time?
Does this is the best series for ps3?
I have this one
one year gone it still working with smoothly
RSX & GPU Temp. always 50C-70C

My 4304a is now 289 days old of use and before hen came out (2016) i used to play lots of bo2 online.
And i never turned it off for 2 weeks sometimes it just stayed at bo2 home screen, it lived in a tiny space with no room to breath and never had problems.
Its still alive today and when i discovered hen (2019) it was: CPU 68, RSX 74 on XMB lol,, i still wonder how it survived all that...
I am too scared to try gameplay on syscon.

As soon as i boosted the fan to 31% it dropped to around 52 and never went above 60 while gaming..
All the time i was using flash storage 12gb..
Now upgraded it to 250gb.
Hope for many more years to come.

 

[Cypher_CG89]

size lithography is not always translated to cooler or more efficient chips

Lol, you got that damn right...

eg Intel 10nm CPU's are BBQ's, and so are the older ones as well. You can turn your PC into an expensive, all year round, space heater with one lol. Plus they suck a sh!t ton of wattage from the PSU as well, sometimes well over their reported TDP and that was without overclocking them.

Some of the reasons why I use AMD CPU's in my PCs, and is also part of the reason's why Consoles now use Custom AMD CPU's now and haven't ever used Intel... too expensive for what they are and they don't do what Intel advertise them to do.

from my experience its only the RSX on 2504B is 2/3 degrees celcius hotter on XMB.

That's normal on any PS3 on the XMB having a couple of degrees hotter RSX, as on the XMB there are animations and graphical effects being constantly rendered.

My 4304a is now 289 days old of use and before hen came out (2016) i used to play lots of bo2 online.
And i never turned it off for 2 weeks sometimes it just stayed at bo2 home screen, it lived in a tiny space with no room to breath and never had problems

I consider these models PS3 Tanks, I have a 4003A I bought brand new on launch day of the 4000 series PS3's, and its survived all sorts of abuse to the point you could literally burn your hand if you touched the top of the shell [ I kinda forgot about the thermal paste lol, its only ever been replaced once since bought and that was only 2 years ago when done ].... still going strong with no issue's after 378 days of use... or should I say abuse...

 

[Alister]

There shouldn't be an issue with de-lidding on these models, IIRC it was only certain CECH4****+ models where the IHS was soldered to the die of the CELL/B, but there have been some quite recent post on here which have shown some rarity in other model PS3's having soldered IHS's to the CELL/BE.

Though de-lid any CELL/BE at your own risk as one small scratch is enough to cut traces and kill a PS3.



That's highly dependant on the quality of the job done, what thermal compounds were used and the ambient temps the PS3 is in.

Hmm this is a cech-25xx that seems impossible for delidding https://www.psx-place.com/threads/cech2501a-delid-gone-bad.29324/

https://www.psdevwiki.com/ps3/SKU_Models

if made in JAN 2010 to AUG/SEPT 2010 should be cfw compatable (unless refurbished or owner swapped motherboard).

if made OCT 2010 to DEC 2010, i think should be cfw compatable but maybe i am wrong.

if made JAN 2011, can not be sure without test.

if made in FEB 2011 or after, NOT cfw compatable.

easy test to be sure is minver pup or use bgtoolset.

so avoid 2011 models. try to find early/mid 2010. if you can only find late 2010 model, test it if you can.

**i may be wrong and ps3 may be refurbished/modified so it always best to test if you can!

EDIT:
your other questions i do not know.

Interesting i think some models only show the Date Code and nothing about the manufacturing date i think i read it depends where they were made.

I no a few suggestions here about running minverchk that's really not realistic tho, not when ordering it online or simply not been able to check i suppose you can easily check when you pay for it, then find out you wasted the money lol bit late then.

 

[SR4NK4R]

Hmm this is a cech-25xx that seems impossible for delidding https://www.psx-place.com/threads/cech2501a-delid-gone-bad.29324/



Interesting i think some models only show the Date Code and nothing about the manufacturing date i think i read it depends where they were made.

I no a few suggestions here about running minverchk that's really not realistic tho, not when ordering it online or simply not been able to check i suppose you can easily check when you pay for it, then find out you wasted the money lol bit late then.

Just ask every 160/320gb what the model number is, then the date code and then the warranty sticker also ask multiple people at a time to not waste time on a 3xxx model.

 

[SR4NK4R]

My 2504B now runs CPU 65, RSX 69 with 40% fan speed lol also dont fix it when its not broken.
I am never trying it myself on this model.

 

[SeanRanklin]

hang on, so only the 20xx series have the same tokins as the fats? Every other slim does not have the tokins???

 

[ElGris]

25xx is the only good choice here if you're aiming for CFW, 'cause if not, any 4xxx kicks every PS3 model's ass on the battlefield of performance.

With the 25xx you have no crappy BD drives (like in 20xx or 21xx [currently trying to fix one of this]) and no NECs.

It will need a delid someday.

 

[Cypher_CG89]

hang on, so only the 20xx series have the same tokins as the fats? Every other slim does not have the tokins???

CECH2000's have NEC TOKEN caps on the RSX and tantalum caps on the CELL/BE.

All others from CECH2100 upward use Tantalum caps on both the CELL/BE and RSX.

 

[SeanRanklin]

CECH2000's have NEC TOKEN caps on the RSX and tantalum caps on the CELL/BE.

All others from CECH2100 upward use Tantalum caps on both the CELL/BE and RSX.

Hang on, i'm a little confused with this. Looking at the release model list on wikipedia, it is showing that CECH20 & CECH21 both released at the same time, just in different regions? How can this be?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3_models#Slim_model

We have CECH-20xxA September 2009, which is NA/EU then CECH-21xxA which is Au/JPN release? So one region had the Tokins but the other didnt? Seems wrong

 

[Cypher_CG89]

Hang on, i'm a little confused with this. Looking at the release model list on wikipedia, it is showing that CECH20 & CECH21 both released at the same time, just in different regions? How can this be?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3_models#Slim_model

We have CECH-20xxA September 2009, which is NA/EU then CECH-21xxA which is Au/JPN release? So one region had the Tokins but the other didnt? Seems wrong

CECH20** models were released in September 2009 and use the DYN-001 motherboard.

CECH21** models were not released until March 2010 and use the SUR-001 motherboard.

You should be looking at the PS3devwiki. This will tell you all you need to know about PS3's and has way more info about them than that wiki your looking at.

https://www.psdevwiki.com/ps3/

Also the first 2 number's in the model have nothing to do with region they were for, thats the last 2 numbers eg CECH2003A is a UK 120gb 1st gen slim. I have 2 of these PS3's.

CECH = whether is its retail or debug [DECH is debug]
20** = model
**03 = region [ 00 = Japan, 01 = USA, 15 = Canada, 03 = UK,
A/B/C = model variant, normally what size HDD it comes with stock.

This is for Slims and SuperSlims. For Phats is was slightly different.

 

[pinky]

CECH20** models were released in September 2009 and use the DYN-001 motherboard.

CECH21** models were not released until March 2010 and use the SUR-001 motherboard.

You should be looking at the PS3devwiki. This will tell you all you need to know about PS3's and has way more info about them than that wiki your looking at.

https://www.psdevwiki.com/ps3/

Also the first 2 number's in the model have nothing to do with region they were for, thats the last 2 numbers eg CECH2003A is a UK 120gb 1st gen slim. I have 2 of these PS3's.

CECH = whether is its retail or debug [DECH is debug]
20** = model
**03 = region [ 00 = Japan, 01 = USA, 15 = Canada, 03 = UK,
A/B/C = model variant, normally what size HDD it comes with stock.

This is for Slims and SuperSlims. For Phats is was slightly different.

dech or decr is the one with twice the ram? I know one is for that gears of war port. atreyu owns the right system. in fact, he told me about a last of us mod where emily page is naked. is that only on there or on retail as well? that mod came with the system, which I think he got from a certain dev (you know who you are!), you dirty boy!