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[Dariush Aghaee]

My opinion as an end user;
$ony may set a policy that you don't have permission to stick your favorite sticker on the console! But you paid for it and own it. Let alone the modification to HW/SW of your own console. jail breaking is modifying your console which you paid for it and own it. you own the whole thing hardware and software. Sharing the modification details and results is part of freedom of speech. But piracy is to use others works without paying them or their permission and the bgtoolset clone is obviously a dangerous piracy.

 

[Coro]

Sharing the modification details and results is part of freedom of speech.

in america, that is covered by the "fair use" that i mentioned in my last post. it covers several rights and exemptions to normal law. freedom of speech might apply too but the courts would only care about questions of fair use. (is this parady, criticism, personal use, etc?)

 

[zorgx]

in america, that is covered by the "fair use" that i mentioned in my last post. it covers several rights and exemptions to normal law. freedom of speech might apply too but the courts would only care about questions of fair use. (is this parady, criticism, personal use, etc?)

"fair use" is not to crack other peoples work, its like i make a program, sell it cheap if you use my hardware addon to use it and you upload my program with a modifikation som lett every addon standard addon get the same cheap offer or just get the program for free.. So yea ... dont think you will winn with a argument about fair use, i think they will say you need to make your own code from scratch.. like a linux bootloader or something.. or just share a patch..

My opinion as an end user;
$ony may set a policy that you don't have permission to stick your favorite sticker on the console! But you paid for it and own it. Let alone the modification to HW/SW of your own console. jail breaking is modifying your console which you paid for it and own it. you own the whole thing hardware and software. Sharing the modification details and results is part of freedom of speech. But piracy is to use others works without paying them or their permission and the bgtoolset clone is obviously a dangerous piracy.

"But piracy is to use others works without paying them or their permission" just like if you share a custom firmware that inkl sonys code.. you can own the hardware all you want, you can own the right to update your hardware all you want, but you dont have the right to share sonys code with modifications..

 

[GuilloteTesla]

"But piracy is to use others works without paying them or their permission" just like if you share a custom firmware that inkl sonys code.. you can own the hardware all you want, you can own the right to update your hardware all you want, but you dont have the right to share sonys code with modifications..

Piracy is when you make some sort of profit from another people's work without giving credit and/or paying royalties. Working on top of some piece of code and release said piece for free is not piracy. What the russians did to bguerville was piracy of his own work (the donation link is the proof of that).

And another thing, there is no single piece of Sony's code shared here. Everything is either already compiled work by Sony itself (which is free to use according to their own licence, which also doesn't forbids distributing modifications made on it) or from opensource SDKs made by the homebrew community (like PSL1GHT).

Want another real world example?. Cars. Imagine you can't get your car to a mechanic because the car manufacturer forbids any modifications made to your own car.

Once you bought the piece of hardware, you can do whatever you want with it (again, if you have the knowledge).

 

[zorgx]

Piracy is when you make some sort of profit from another people's work without giving credit and/or paying royalties. Working on top of some piece of code and release said piece for free is not piracy. What the russians did to bguerville was piracy of his own work (the donation link is the proof of that).

And another thing, there is no single piece of Sony's code shared here. Everything is either already compiled work by Sony itself (which is free to use according to their own licence, which also doesn't forbids distributing modifications made on it) or from opensource SDKs made by the homebrew community (like PSL1GHT).

Want another real world example?. Cars. Imagine you can't get your car to a mechanic because the car manufacturer forbids any modifications made to your own car.

Once you bought the piece of hardware, you can do whatever you want with it (again, if you have the knowledge).

Lol yea, nobody are using stuff like :

[MOD EDIT: here was listed filenames to search for on google to download the sony sdk. i would think that is a good way to get a site in trouble. -Coro]

And sure Sony love people sharing a custom firmware base on a orginal ps3 firmware ...
you are just funny

 

[GuilloteTesla]

Lol yea, nobody are using stuff like : (removed)

And sure Sony love people sharing a custom firmware base on a orginal ps3 firmware ...
you are just funny

I'm not using any of that stuff, so no, your assumption is incorrect. I've never seen anybody here prompting to use any of the official tools, nor making a profit from them. Also, I've never seen any of those files posted in these forums. So we here at not responsible for what other people do. If you don't like CFW and homebrew, don't use it. Easy as pie.

Nobody said that Sony loves people messing around with their stuff. But they got pwned for screwing at their customers (check the events after the OtherOS scandal). And like it or not, CFW WILL HAPPEN, regardless of what Sony thinks or likes. Deal with it.

 

[Dariush Aghaee]

Yes if you modify your copy of software and sell it, or try to make profit, this could be questionable. But when the devs just share their work for free, not only this is not piracy but also it HELPS other companies to be aware of vulnerabilities that could make critical bad situations where human life or the environment could get under devils attacks.
That's why $ony is forced to accepts disclosing bugs in PS4 for example. IMO.
No body can ignore the fact that all community real devs make NO profits from using their works by others.
CFW as it's name describes is customizing a firmware that comes with your console you bought. you own the whole thing because you paid for it. Hardware and the copy of the software on it.

 

[zorgx]

I'm not using any of that stuff, so no, your assumption is incorrect. I've never seen anybody here prompting to use any of the official tools, nor making a profit from them. Also, I've never seen any of those files posted in these forums. So we here at not responsible for what other people do. If you don't like CFW and homebrew, don't use it. Easy as pie.

Nobody said that Sony loves people messing around with their stuff. But they got pwned for screwing at their customers (check the events after the OtherOS scandal). And like it or not, CFW WILL HAPPEN, regardless of what Sony thinks or likes. Deal with it.

I dont thin you understand that im saying, I just say its bad to share a full custom firmware on a website, because that is sonys copyrated file, and i say that sharing programs made with the officale sdk is also bad because thats is also sonys copyrated stuff .. but yea [a different web site] is still up and its dosnt look like they have to many problems ..

 

[GuilloteTesla]

I dont thin you understand that im saying, I just say its bad to share a full custom firmware on a website, because that is sonys copyrated file, and i say that sharing programs made with the officale sdk is also bad because thats is also sonys copyrated stuff .. but yea archive.org is still up and its dosnt look like they have to many problems ..

I understood perfectly. Again, a CFW is an OFW + some modifications over it. It's illegal?, no it isn't because the changes were made with custom made tools, not with Sony's official tools. If Sony decides to charge for each OFW update, then yes, each PUP modification will be considered as piracy. But luckily for us, that is not the case.

And I agree that sharing software made with official SDKs obtained illegaly is... well, illegal. But again, that is not the case on these forums.

 

[Croc]

Literally why is everyone arguing here

 

[DeViL303]

I just say its bad to share a full custom firmware on a website, because that is sonys copyrated file

If you think that is bad, I think you came to the wrong place . We have been sharing modified PUPs for over 10 years now without any issue.. Maybe you can stop worrying about it.

 

[Coro]

"fair use" is not to...

ignorance of the law is no excuse. Wikipedia

its like i make a program, sell it cheap if you use my hardware addon to use it and you upload my program with a modifikation som lett every addon standard addon get the same cheap offer or just get the program for free.. So yea ...

its like...what? OMG is that one of those crypto-puzzles the CIA uses to recruit smart people? if so then i'm not as smart as i thought because i spent an entire 20 min long dump trying to read that.

piracy is to use others works without paying them or their permission

piracy does not have to make a profit. am i the only one who remembers Napster?

Lol yea, nobody are using stuff like :

i removed the filenames. wouldn't posting the filename of a pirate movie rip piss off the studio? it can only help people find the file faster. i assume that sony would feel the same way about their sdk as they do about their movies. i give you your props though -- it was a dick move but a cleaver one.

And sure Sony love people sharing a custom firmware base on a orginal ps3 firmware ...

fair use allows some modifying of software. you can paint your car a diffrent color and you can linux on your PC. if i am not allowed to modify ps3 system files, then no one remove windows from their laptop (or dualboot linux and windows).

Literally why is everyone arguing here

because most of us are banned from twitter.

 

[Berion]

Literally why is everyone arguing here

If someone is wrong, he is correcting by others (eventually those others can be enlighten ;]). Would You like living in a world where every people have its "own true" which is respecting by others? Such world would quickly collapse because leading to auto-censorship and one of the progressive motor is discussion, constructive critique, testing and proving what we claims. This is exactly why western world has dominated all civilizations in last 500 years.

Don't afraid to discuss.

 

[ModderFokker619]

Well I'm busting out the progskeet so no need to wait. Good luck to all.

 

[Croc]

Hah, just noticed that on the main .me site while yes the bgtoolset tab is missing, when you go to Help and click on FAQS its magically there! Of course clicking on it leads to a "This site is currently under maintenance. Please try again in a few hours..." message but thats still funny

 

[zorgx]

ignorance of the law is no excuse. Wikipedia

fair use allows some modifying of software. you can paint your car a diffrent color and you can linux on your PC. if i am not allowed to modify ps3 system files, then no one remove windows from their laptop (or dualboot linux and windows).


because most of us are banned from twitter.

I dont think thats the same.. sure you can paint your car, sure you can install all the stuff you want on your hardware if you can get it on your hardware.. the only thing i say is I don't think it's allowed to share software with copy rights where the software has been changed or you don't have rights to share the program. So yes you can share a patch, you can probably share an update (if there is no reservation in the rights), but you probably can't share an update that has been changed and contains a combination of codes with copy rights and 3rd party codes. Because it is a violation of rights..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_copyright

If you read the two cases are both not inkl. the codes from the copyright holders.. and yes its legal to emulate to games to (but not share the orginal bios, it need to be reverse engineer just like the emu in goldeneye64, bleemcast ++)

But yea i hope bgtoolset soon is up again or its another way to get a cfw on a ps3 with the latest update .. i will hate to only have options to run hen ..

 

[Coro]

If you read the two cases are...

you mean the two cases listed in "software copyright" under "fair use"? the ones listed when it explains that something called "fair use" applies to software copyright? did you read it? because it is talking about what i'm talking about when it says that they used an API owned by another company legally without permission.

did you read the first part of the wikipedia article that i linked to?...

'Fair use is a doctrine in United States law that permits limited use of copyrighted material without having to first acquire permission from the copyright holder. Fair use is one of the limitations to copyright intended to balance the interests of copyright holders with the public interest in the wider distribution and use of creative works by allowing as a defense to copyright infringement claims certain limited uses that might otherwise be considered infringement."

it works like this...i can kill you if i have to in order to stop you from killing me. it is not murder because the law allows a defense to murder called "self-defense". similar to that, fair use is a defense to copyright infingement.

fair use covers many things. parady and satire are common examples. an episode of "family guy" has a crude but recognizeable version of mickey mouse. no permission was neccessary because it was satire.

i can make my own fan film and post it on youtube--no problem. yet i can not make my own star wars movie and send it to theaters. i can quote your book in my review. you can quote my review in your next book as long as you are criticizing my review. memes are fair use in almost all cases. bible commentaries can contain short quotes from copyrighted translations without asking permission.

fair use is what allowed the wright brothers to build wings onto their bicycles and fly into history.

public domain is pretty sweet too. closest thing to legal piracy that we have. all the old greatest hits for download everywhere. (if you "like to read", try H.G. Wells or "the scarlet letter" or quit fronting.)

 

[zorgx]

you mean the two cases listed in "software copyright" under "fair use"? the ones listed when it explains that something called "fair use" applies to software copyright? did you read it? because it is talking about what i'm talking about when it says that they used an API owned by another company legally without permission.

did you read the first part of the wikipedia article that i linked to?...

'Fair use is a doctrine in United States law that permits limited use of copyrighted material without having to first acquire permission from the copyright holder. Fair use is one of the limitations to copyright intended to balance the interests of copyright holders with the public interest in the wider distribution and use of creative works by allowing as a defense to copyright infringement claims certain limited uses that might otherwise be considered infringement."

it works like this...i can kill you if i have to in order to stop you from killing me. it is not murder because the law allows a defense to murder called "self-defense". similar to that, fair use is a defense to copyright infingement.

fair use covers many things. parady and satire are common examples. an episode of "family guy" has a crude but recognizeable version of mickey mouse. no permission was neccessary because it was satire.

i can make my own fan film and post it on youtube--no problem. yet i can not make my own star wars movie and send it to theaters. i can quote your book in my review. you can quote my review in your next book as long as you are criticizing my review. memes are fair use in almost all cases. bible commentaries can contain short quotes from copyrighted translations without asking permission.

fair use is what allowed the wright brothers to build wings onto their bicycles and fly into history.

public domain is pretty sweet too. closest thing to legal piracy that we have. all the old greatest hits for download everywhere. (if you "like to read", try H.G. Wells or "the scarlet letter" or quit fronting.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Galoob_Toys,_Inc._v._Nintendo_of_America,_Inc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_v._Accolade

 

[Coro]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Galoob_Toys,_Inc._v._Nintendo_of_America,_Inc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_v._Accolade

both lawsuits were filed by console makers against others. both console makers lost because of fair use (even though both of the other partys were making money).

why did you link to pages that prove my point...again? you got these lawsuits from the first link you posted (software copyright). i will quote it.

"Fair use is a defense to an allegation of copyright infringement under section 107 of the Copyright Act of 1976. This section describes some of the uses of copyrighted software that courts have held to be fair.
In Galoob v. Nintendo, the 9th Circuit held that modification of copyrighted software for personal use was fair. In Sega v. Accolade, the 9th Circuit held that making copies in the course of reverse engineering is a fair use, when it is the only way to get access to the "ideas and functional elements" in the copyrighted code, and when "there is a legitimate reason for seeking such access".
The Supreme Court ruled in Google LLC v. Oracle America, Inc. (2021) that the reuse of application programming interfaces (APIs) including representative source code can be transformative and fall within fair use, though did not rule if such APIs are copyrightable."

you should see that it is a real thing by now, if you read any one of those articles. let's just get back on topic...

 

[complexusername]

Really hoping the bgtoolset gets revived soon. I convinced my good friend to get a CECHB00 console and he's anxious to play his PS2 games again (JP consoles are region locked for psx/ps2 games)