PS3 SACD-problem

TriForcer

TriForcer

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Hello everyone,

Have a question regarding SACD for PS3 BC. I have two CECHA01 with CWF4.91 (Evilnat). One (which is professionally "Frankensteined 40nm" and which is "sealed" with warranty stickers works with SACD + everything else (CD/DVD/BD). There is a BD (KES-400) in it.
Don't want to open this and mess around with this one.

The other is also professionally "Frankensteined 40nm" (not sealed) with CWF4.91 (Evilnat), but does NOT work with SACD. It reads all other formats (CD/DVD/BD). Tried with two KES-400 and one KES-410 without getting this to work. Does the KES-410 read SACD? Or is it only the KES-400 that does? If so, could the lasers be bad on the two KES-400s that I tried with? Or is there some setting in CFW I need to change?
 
I also have several Sony refurbished Frankensteins, Sony replaced the BD410, it supports SACD, I also tried to remarry the BD410, but SACD cannot be supported, BMD006 logic board, 003 and 011 are unknown.

At the same time, I noticed that the BD410 optical drive of the BMD004 logic board is a single laser lens. Although its appearance is exactly the same as other 410 drives, I remarry it to cechb and it also does not support sacd.
 
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Interesting - thanks for replying :)
Just ordered a new laser for my one of my BD400s (one that doesn't read PS2/DVD – only PS1 and PS3 discs). However, this "bad" BD400 read PS2 discs from a bad/old DVD burner which at "verification" showed sector errors after burning (and which did not work on any good working BD400). So bad laser on that BD-unit.
Maybe BD is more married to MB than re-married can handle? The PS3 never ceases to amaze me. Just such a thing as not PS2 backup discs not working unless the original hdd is in. Most incomprehensible to me. Hoping one of the gurus (aldostools/bguerville/evilnat) here at PSX-place can fix it as I want to use my 1TB ssd in my CECHA01.
Anyway - I of course want to have SACD playback on my CECHA01- just because it exists and it SHOULD work. I have to wait for the new laser to arrive. To be continued...
 
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SACD is not important to me, I have two Frankensteins made by Sony, they both have BD410 drives, their feature is to spin into the disc, they both support SACD, as for the BD400 drive I have not tested, usually I will upgrade them to BD410...
 
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Well - a new laser fixed the problem. Now my PS3 reads SACDs properly :)
Now I will try to order home a new laser for my BD-410 unit and change to see if that also can read SACD-discs...
 
TriForcer said:
Well - a new laser fixed the problem. Now my PS3 reads SACDs properly :)
Now I will try to order home a new laser for my BD-410 unit and change to see if that also can read SACD-discs...
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You can try, I have a Frankenstein equipped with BD410, but I didn't disassemble the daughterboard to check the model, hope to provide more information :)
 
Now I have tried putting a new laser into my BD-410 (BMD-003), but it made no difference (no SACD detection). My conclusion is that only BD-400 (or actually BMD-001) is the only one that can read/detect SACD. When a working BD-400 is inserted into a CECHH04 (which cannot play SACD), SACD still comes up in XMB as an option, but gets an error message when trying to play SACD. With a BD-410 (BMD-003) only CD comes up as an option in XMB regardless of PS3 model. BMD-001 and BMD-003 are not compatible, so you cannot exchange among BD400/BD410-drives. Now I'm going to order a new laser for my third (spare) BD-400...
 
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TriForcer said:
Now I have tried putting a new laser into my BD-410 (BMD-003), but it made no difference (no SACD detection). My conclusion is that only BD-400 (or actually BMD-001) is the only one that can read/detect SACD. When a working BD-400 is inserted into a CECHH04 (which cannot play SACD), SACD still comes up in XMB as an option, but gets an error message when trying to play SACD. With a BD-410 (BMD-003) only CD comes up as an option in XMB regardless of PS3 model. BMD-001 and BMD-003 are not compatible, so you cannot exchange among BD400/BD410-drives. Now I'm going to order a new laser for my third (spare) BD-400...
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The BD410 does not support SACD (BMD003 and 006 tested), I suspect the BD410 used by Sony on the refurbished Frankenstein is actually a single lens (BD410, daughterboard BMD004 and KES-400 lens), which can support SACD. Due to the aging of the lens, I put the BMD003 and KES-410ACA into the frame, and its structure is fully compatible and works properly.
 
Am I understanding you correctly? The combination BD410 - BMD004 - KES400 works with SACD?
If so, it could be because the KES-400 single-laser itself works with that one specific SACD-wavelength that the KES-410 (with dual laser) cannot handle.
 
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To verify this, I disassembled the BD410 drive on Frankenstein made by sony,you can see it is a BD410, BMD-006 daughterboard, and is dual-lens, I put the SACD disc in and it can read and played.
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My biggest question is, Why does the Remarry BD410 optical drive not support SACD?? But the Sony replacement can? I have two Frankensteins from Sony and they are equipped with BD410 and can read SACD.
 
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Am I understanding you correctly? The combination BD410 - BMD004 - KES400 works with SACD?
If so, it could be because the KES-400 single-laser itself works with that one specific SACD-wavelength that the KES-410 (with dual laser) cannot handle.
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I'm not sure if the BD410 of BMD-004 can support SACD, because I bought it as a second-hand part and the laser lens is damaged. Although it has the same structure, you can't directly install the KES410 ACA optical drive frame, because the connector on the daughterboard only supports KES400 single laser. I tried to install the KES410 dual laser on it, because the structure and the connected soft wire are compatible, the remarry process was successful,when I put the disc in, I heard the sound of electricity and the smell of burning. I knew something bad happened, it damaged the daughterboard. Since this KES410 can't read in a vertical, I don't feel bad, and the BMD004 is the same. It's more for experimental purposes. In the end, only the shell and the sensor board survived. XD
 
Is there any developer interested in this? Why Sony replace the dual laser BD410 can support SACD?but Remarry another BD410 does not work? I am using a brand new KES410 ACA frame, they support PS1 PS2 PS3 CD but not SACD, which is very strange.
 
Yes - I agree - very strange. But interesting :)
Almost similar to that backup game discs stop working when replacing original HDD.
I would very much like to see an explanation on this SACD issue. What did SONY do to make this work? PS3 still has secrets to unlock...
 
I see that you have done thorough and detailed experiments - fantastic. All to solve the SACD conundrum. All honor to you.
Just like you, I don't really care about SACD more than for fun. But when it doesn't work as expected, I get curious. And that I just want it to work :)
 
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Yes - I agree - very strange. But interesting :)
Almost similar to that backup game discs stop working when replacing original HDD.
I would very much like to see an explanation on this SACD issue. What did SONY do to make this work? PS3 still has secrets to unlock...
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I think the secret is in the optical drive daughterboard, because I have used this Frankenstein to remarry other BD410s, and I have remarryed 4 dual laser lens BD410, and all of them work normally except for the SACD. It is impossible that all 4 optical drives have hidden problems...
 
Wondering if your BMD-006 has an extra component or some other tweak compared to another BMD-006? Would be interesting if the "SACD working" drive works in another PS3 or if that doesn't work either. Maybe more tightly married to their original PS3 than re-married can do.
 
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Wondering if your BMD-006 has an extra component or some other tweak compared to another BMD-006? Would be interesting if the "SACD working" drive works in another PS3 or if that doesn't work either. Maybe more tightly married to their original PS3 than re-married can do.
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I compared the pictures on psdevwiki and there seems to be no difference except the date.
 
Well - I will buy a new laser for my 3:rd BD400. If that one also "just work" with SACD, the secret must be the BMD in some way. If you tried with 4 different BD410 and I tested with mine BD410 (with new laser unit). They can't all be faulty? Must be some special with your SONY BD410's.
Would be interesting if they work if you swap them in respective PS3, but maybe is that to push the lucky too far…
 
TriForcer said:
Well - I will buy a new laser for my 3:rd BD400. If that one also "just work" with SACD, the secret must be the BMD in some way. If you tried with 4 different BD410 and I tested with mine BD410 (with new laser unit). They can't all be faulty? Must be some special with your SONY BD410's.
Would be interesting if they work if you swap them in respective PS3, but maybe is that to push the lucky too far…
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If you need SACD then the BD400 is perfect for you but it was short lived, I didn't install that SACD capable BD410 into my other phat PS3 because it worked fine on my Frankenstein B00, I experienced the ribbon cable socket breaking and I spent a lot of time micro soldering it and I don't want to go through that again.
 
I fully understand that you don't want to mess around with the BD's. I'm glad that you have all this information and shared your thoughts. SACD isn't a big deal at all for me, but just nice to have when the feature is there. And to have a fully working machine.
 
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