PS3 some hen and cfw questions (need help)

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rawfiul

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Situation - I will get a Ps3 cfw compatible with PS3HEN 4.87 installed. I wish to install a good CFW.

Questions -

1. Do i need to revert back to OFW before installing CFW? Is it safe to turn on internet on a Ps3HEN system to access the ps3xploit toolset?

2. What CFW do you personally recommend? i have been hearing great things about REBUG but its not available for 4.87 yet. Should i just install evilnat cobra 4.87.2 and live with it or should i downgrade to get the rebug 4.86 lite?

3. I was thinking i should wipe the hdd entirely and install ofw first after getting the ps3. I dont want HEN leftover files and pre installed games to bother me. Is this necessary and/or a good idea?

@bguerville please help
 
rawfiul said:
Situation - I will get a Ps3 cfw compatible with PS3HEN 4.87 installed. I wish to install a good CFW.

Questions -

1. Do i need to revert back to OFW before installing CFW? Is it safe to turn on internet on a Ps3HEN system to access the ps3xploit toolset?

2. What CFW do you personally recommend? i have been hearing great things about REBUG but its not available for 4.87 yet. Should i just install evilnat cobra 4.87.2 and live with it or should i downgrade to get the rebug 4.86 lite?

3. I was thinking i should wipe the hdd entirely and install ofw first after getting the ps3. I dont want HEN leftover files and pre installed games to bother me. Is this necessary and/or a good idea?

@bguerville please help
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This is your third thread asking the same thing in less than 10 hours. Please read the rules again and note that #4 applies here. We want you to contribute to the convesation but it much easier to follow along if it is all in one place.
 
Coro said:
This is your third thread asking the same thing in less than 10 hours. Please read the rules again and note that #4 applies here. We want you to contribute to the convesation but it much easier to follow along if it is all in one place.
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Extremely sorry about this

I'll remove the other posts
 
rawfiul said:
Situation - I will get a Ps3 cfw compatible with PS3HEN 4.87 installed. I wish to install a good CFW.

Questions -

1. Do i need to revert back to OFW before installing CFW? Is it safe to turn on internet on a Ps3HEN system to access the ps3xploit toolset?

2. What CFW do you personally recommend? i have been hearing great things about REBUG but its not available for 4.87 yet. Should i just install evilnat cobra 4.87.2 and live with it or should i downgrade to get the rebug 4.86 lite?

3. I was thinking i should wipe the hdd entirely and install ofw first after getting the ps3. I dont want HEN leftover files and pre installed games to bother me. Is this necessary and/or a good idea?

@bguerville please help
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What you call a PS3HEN system is actually HFW (as long as you don't enable HEN) & HFW is actually OFW, the only difference is a handful of added files but the core system files are OFW.

As long as you are on HFW/OFW, you can safely use the PS3 Toolset to jailbreak then install the CFW of your choice. In theory, you can use the PS3 Toolset's Flash Memory Manager to jailbreak even when HEN is enabled but I do NOT recommend it.

As to leftover HEN files, it would depend what version of HEN & what other things such as Toolboxes etc you installed but it's not crucial to remove them, at worst you may have a malfunctioning Toolbox or whatever, in which case no problem, just reinstall whatever homebrew that's appropriate for CFW & remove those which aren't if any.

However if it's important to you to cleanup the console either because you prefer to start fresh or because the current setup is too messy for your liking, do it. It doesn't take very long & sometimes it is the best option.

If your console is a NOR chip model, you can extract the internal hdd, reformat it with your pc, then reinsert it, on console start you will be asked to reinstall OFW or HFW & voilà you got a clean /dev_hdd0 & /dev_flash. If the console is a nand model, you can do the same thing but keep in mind that the /dev_flash partition won't be wiped by the hdd reformat because on nand, /dev_flash is located on the nand chip, not on the hdd.

Regarding CFW choices, well you don't have that many choices to be honest.

Either you remain on 4.87 because you play online (be careful with online playing on CFW, especially if you are also game modding and/or using games cheats, read about risks & existing mitigation techniques if you are not already savvy), in this case there are only 2 CFWs available, Ferrox 4.87 & Evilnat 4.87.

Or you downgrade to an earlier system software version to be able to install Rebug REX, Rebug Lite or whatever other available CFW flavour available for that version. There are ways to connect to PSN for online playing on older firmwares however don't do it before you read further about it, system software spoofing is no longer sufficient.
The latest Rebug REX is 4.84.2.
It's the most up to date CFW that allows you to switch between Retail (cex) & Debug (dex) modes. It is what developers, modders & users seeking all possible options & features on their PS3 use. It does not mean that it is the right CFW for you, your choice is your own. If all you want is play your game backups & nothing more, you should remain on Evilnat or Ferrox 4.87.
The CFWs available for download on this forum have all been tested & they are all safe or they would have been removed right away, it can happen that a very specific feature such as ps2emu or the likes doesn't work as it should on a particular CFW but that's about it. When a bug is found on a CFW, devs usually release an update to fix it, look at the sub version for instance in Rebug REX 4.84.2, the .2 means it was updated.

Also keep in mind that you can change CFW whenever you like, you can go up & down firmware versions too if you toggle QA after jailbreaking & installing a CFW. Read about how to toggle QA with a QA toggler (available at store.brewology.com), there are posts about it all over the forum.
First you are going to jailbreak then install Ferrox or Evilnat 4.87 anyway.
Toggle QA whether you need it immediately or not, it's recommended to keep it toggled on.
Take it from there. If you wish to install Rebug you can do it right then or later, even come back to 4.87 if you want..
There is no risk to the console.
 
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bguerville said:
What you call a PS3HEN system is actually HFW (as long as you don't enable HEN) & HFW is actually OFW, the only difference is a handful of added files but the core system files are OFW.

As long as you are on HFW/OFW, you can safely use the PS3 Toolset to jailbreak then install the CFW of your choice. In theory, you can use the PS3 Toolset's Flash Memory Manager to jailbreak even when HEN is enabled but I do NOT recommend it.

As to leftover HEN files, it would depend what version of HEN & what other things such as Toolboxes etc you installed but it's not crucial to remove them, at worst you may have a malfunctioning Toolbox or whatever, in which case no problem, just reinstall whatever homebrew that's appropriate for CFW & remove those which aren't if any.

However if it's important to you to cleanup the console either because you prefer to start fresh or because the current setup is too messy for your liking, do it. It doesn't take very long & sometimes it is the best option.

If your console is a NOR chip model, you can extract the internal hdd, reformat it with your pc, then reinsert it, on console start you will be asked to reinstall OFW or HFW & voilà you got a clean /dev_hdd0 & /dev_flash. If the console is a nand model, you can do the same thing but keep in mind that the /dev_flash partition won't be wiped by the hdd reformat because on nand, /dev_flash is located on the nand chip, not on the hdd.

Regarding CFW choices, well you don't have that many choices to be honest.

Either you remain on 4.87 because you play online (be careful with online playing on CFW, especially if you are also game modding and/or using games cheats, read about risks & existing mitigation techniques if you are not already savvy), in this case there are only 2 CFWs available, Ferrox 4.87 & Evilnat 4.87.

Or you downgrade to an earlier system software version to be able to install Rebug REX, Rebug Lite or whatever other available CFW flavour available for that version. There are ways to connect to PSN for online playing on older firmwares however don't do it before you read further about it, system software spoofing is no longer sufficient.
The latest Rebug REX is 4.84.2.
It's the most up to date CFW that allows you to switch between Retail (cex) & Debug (dex) modes. It is what developers, modders & users seeking all possible options & features on their PS3 use. It does not mean that it is the right CFW for you, your choice is your own. If all you want is play your game backups & nothing more, you should remain on Evilnat or Ferrox 4.87.
The CFWs available for download on this forum have all been tested & they are all safe or they would have been removed right away, it can happen that a very specific feature such as ps2emu or the likes doesn't work as it should on a particular CFW but that's about it. When a bug is found on a CFW, devs usually release an update to fix it, look at the sub version for instance in Rebug REX 4.84.2, the .2 means it was updated.

Also keep in mind that you can change CFW whenever you like, you can go up & down firmware versions too if you toggle QA after jailbreaking & installing a CFW. Read about how to toggle QA with a QA toggler (available at store.brewology.com), there are posts about it all over the forum.
First you are going to jailbreak then install Ferrox or Evilnat 4.87 anyway.
Toggle QA whether you need it immediately or not, it's recommended to keep it toggled on.
Take it from there. If you wish to install Rebug you can do it right then or later, even come back to 4.87 if you want..
There is no risk to the console.
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I don't care how inappropriate it is but I LOVE YOU

This is the nicest thing anyone has ever done for me

Thank you so so so so much
 
@Coro @bguerville

so i formatted the HDD and installed the evilnat cfw 4.87 successfully

i cant thank u guys enough for this

i do have some follow up questions tho

Situation - I dont want anything to do with PSN but i want to be able to FTP with pc

1. If there is no PSN account logged in the console, is there a risk if i keep the ps3 connected to internet ?

2. If there is a risk, how to do i completely disable the console to communicate with PSN servers, altho having the FTP feature active

3. I have installed multiman, there are 3 kinds of game format in my possession (folders, .pkg and .iso). Is there a nice guide which can teach me how to get all the 3 kinds of game format run on the ps3 ?

4. What is the preferred game format to install according to you guys?

5. Do i need to make changes to get the ps2 and psx games run or it is available as a feature under cfw?
 
rawfiul said:
@Coro @bguerville

so i formatted the HDD and installed the evilnat cfw 4.87 successfully

i cant thank u guys enough for this

i do have some follow up questions tho

Situation - I dont want anything to do with PSN but i want to be able to FTP with pc

1. If there is no PSN account logged in the console, is there a risk if i keep the ps3 connected to internet ?

2. If there is a risk, how to do i completely disable the console to communicate with PSN servers, altho having the FTP feature active

3. I have installed multiman, there are 3 kinds of game format in my possession (folders, .pkg and .iso). Is there a nice guide which can teach me how to get all the 3 kinds of game format run on the ps3 ?

4. What is the preferred game format to install according to you guys?

5. Do i need to make changes to get the ps2 and psx games run or it is available as a feature under cfw?
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Your questions cover a wide range of topics actually & for each of them, you will find different people knowledgeable in the specifics to answer your questions.
Here I will only answer in broad terms.

1. No risk at all in using Internet without PSN connection.
The PSN connection is not a requirement to an Internet connection, or to be more precise, PSN requires Internet but Internet does not require PSN.
However remember that for a number of things you will need PSN, unless you stick to gaming on retail game discs backups.
For instance, for a number of features, console activation is required and if the console is not yet activated, you will have to connect it to PSN to activate it.

It's obviously safer to activate while still on OFW 4.87 but it can be done from CFW 4.87 without too much risk too, it will be up to you from now on to decide whether you prefer to be extra safe ie reinstall OFW, do the activation then rejailbreak or not & take a minimal risk, do it all on CFW using mitigations like PSNPatch & possibly idps spoofing.

2. Make sure that you disable the auto login setting for any user profiles in which a PSN account is registered.

3 & 4. There are 3 main types of game backups.
A) JB folder games. It is a simple copy of the folders & files found on a PS3 Game BD Disc, it is a legacy format which nowadays is mostly used for game modding or other specific situations.
B) PKG games. Those are PSN game releases, for each of those games you install, you must also install an appropriate PSN license.
C) ISO games. Those are ISO images of PS3 Games BD Discs. ISO is the recommended game backup format to use on CFW.
If you have a retail disc based game library to backup, the most common way to go is to create ps3 compatible iso images (use the makeps3iso utility either on PC or through Irisman on ps3) & store them on a ntfs formatted external USB hdd to be mounted via a backup manager.
Note that it's recommended to avoid storing iso or legacy JB folder backups on the internal hdd itself because when you mount a game stored on the internal hdd, the hdd must play the role of the BD disc & still do its regular job. It means extra strain on the hdd & a performance hit that largely depends on the game itself, some games use the BD extensively, others not so much.

5. Ps2 support level depends on the console model. On early phat models, there is hardware assisting the emulation. For all other models, you have to rely on a modded ps2emu (one of Sony's ps2 emulators for ps3), the emu files are included with Cobra/Mamba on CFWs.
On software emulation, compatibility & perf are not as good as on hardware assisted emu as you may already have guessed.
Ps2 DVD retail games can be mounted as iso (or cue/bin for game CDs) files or they can be in ps2 classics format etc..
There is a compatibility list to find out whether a specific game can be played with the emulator, don't expect miracles though. In recent years, config files to improve compatibility & perf of certain games have been put together, ongoing projects like Managunz or webMAN-MOD integrate those files bit by bit, one file per game id at a time, but with older managers like multiman, you will need to fiddle manually if you wanna use them.

Regarding ps1 games, those can also be used through backup managers like multiman. Compatibility is good, most ps1 titles can be played on ps3.

Check psdevwiki & the various threads on the subject in this forum.
 
Awesome replies as always.

I think im very close to acheving max potential

Some more doubts

Okay so i placed a jb folder game in internal HDD

Multiman ran it flawlessly

Then i installed webman, loaded the game there but it doesn't work

Is it because the game files are loaded in multiman ?


I need multiman for ftp

I need webman for temp control and monitor

I want to use webman for loading games because its directly from xmb


Webman reports when idle - 65C on both cpu and gpu at 35% fan (ambeint temp 30C). Is this normal?
 
rawfiul said:
Awesome replies as always.

I think im very close to acheving max potential

Some more doubts

Okay so i placed a jb folder game in internal HDD

Multiman ran it flawlessly

Then i installed webman, loaded the game there but it doesn't work

Is it because the game files are loaded in multiman ?


I need multiman for ftp

I need webman for temp control and monitor

I want to use webman for loading games because its directly from xmb


Webman reports when idle - 65C on both cpu and gpu at 35% fan (ambeint temp 30C). Is this normal?
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WebMAN-MOD already has ftp so you don't really need multiman if you are keeping it for that reason alone.

65C is fine, you should check the temps after 15mn gaming with TLOU or similar intensive game though.
Ideally the temps would be kept < 70C at all times but the console can tolerate up to 75C.. When you get to 78C, it's getting bad, the console shuts down automatically soon after that.
In any case, the lower the temps the better.

FYI
Storing game backups on internal hdd is not recommended.
Using legacy JB folder format is not recommended either.
 
Yeah i used the jb folder format just for testing

I don't understand the internal HDD thing, if i were to download games from psn, where does it get stored and how is it different from current scenario?
 
rawfiul said:
Yeah i used the jb folder format just for testing

I don't understand the internal HDD thing, if i were to download games from psn, where does it get stored and how is it different from current scenario?
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A PSN game is different, the pkg installs all the files on the internal hdd & the game runs solely from there, you can delete the pkg, the game would still run fine. Note that PSN games don't get listed in backup managers, they get launched directly from XMB.

On the other hand, consider that a iso game is the equivalent of a BD Disc, it gets mounted in a BD ROM emulator (that's what the rawseciso sprx library is basically) & it gets accessed in the same way the BD Disc would get accessed. Retail games on disc install files from the disc to the internal hdd but they may also use certain files on the BD disc at runtime, some games use the disc a lot including for cinematics, some not so much, it depends.

And to get to the point of this description, you cannot delete the iso & keep using the game like you would with the pkg of a PSN game, the iso itself remains an essential part of the game, even after installation.

And when it comes to the JB folder format, the idea is the same, the folder & files constitute an image of the BD disc which gets accessed by the game at runtime just like an iso does.

So for performance reasons as much as to preserve the internal hdd from extra strain easily avoided & keep the system working as it was designed to be, it's generally recommended to store backup games on external storage when possible.
 
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i have some games in JB foler format on my PS3 HDD

they are running fine

is it worth converting them to iso using multiman ?

i dont have an external usb drive to run the games externally
 
rawfiul said:
i have some games in JB foler format on my PS3 HDD

they are running fine

is it worth converting them to iso using multiman ?

i dont have an external usb drive to run the games externally
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I have already answered those questions.
ISO on external storage is the recommended way & I told you why, after that you can do whatever you want, if you prefer to use the opposite ie legacy format on internal hdd, it is up to you.
 
bguerville said:
I have already answered those questions.
ISO on external storage is the recommended way & I told you why, after that you can do whatever you want, if you prefer to use the opposite ie legacy format on internal hdd, it is up to you.
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No no
Im sorry
I am just trying to do best with my current situation

Ill buy external HDD this week and run iso off of it

I tried using PS3 ISO TOOLS 2.2 on pc, it looks stuck but it's been going since 3 hrs for a 25gb game

I used multiman to make iso, that was quick

I used irisman as well, that was as slow as ps3 iso tool

Should i just continue making iso files from jb folder using multiman ?
 
rawfiul said:
No no
Im sorry
I am just trying to do best with my current situation

Ill buy external HDD this week and run iso off of it

I tried using PS3 ISO TOOLS 2.2 on pc, it looks stuck but it's been going since 3 hrs for a 25gb game

I used multiman to make iso, that was quick

I used irisman as well, that was as slow as ps3 iso tool

Should i just continue making iso files from jb folder using multiman ?
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Don't be sorry.
I only meant to say that you should adapt to the circumstances. Obviously what you are talking about is temporary anyway so it does not really matter, you might use the opportunity to test things & see how they work.

You can make iso files from discs or from already made JB Folder dumps, that's up to you. Makeps3iso (recommended tool to ensure wide range iso compatibility, not for speed) is available in Irisman or as a PC tool.
 
bguerville said:
Don't be sorry.
I only meant to say that you should adapt to the circumstances. Obviously what you are talking about is temporary anyway so it does not really matter, you might use the opportunity to test things & see how they work.

You can make iso files from discs or from already made JB Folder dumps, that's up to you. Makeps3iso (recommended tool to ensure wide range iso compatibility, not for speed) is available in Irisman or as a PC tool.
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alright will use Makeps3iso

is it normal for it to take 4 hrs for 25gb?

any other tools recommendation for the jb to iso conversion?
 
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