Which is the fastest way to load backups? (USB vs SATA vs ps3netsrv & ISO vs JB)

[shawly]

So I wanted to know which is the fastest way to play backups, how does ps3netsrv compare to an external USB drive and to the internal drive or even a 3.5" drive connected to the internal SATA port via eSATA (with 7200rpm)? I won't count SSDs since they are way too expensive for me.

I've read that it's better to store and load the backups as ISOs, this should make a difference if you store them on a USB drive or the internal drive, but does this also apply to the ps3netsrv?

I have an external 1TB drive connected via USB and an internal 1TB drive within my PS3, but both of them are almost filled to the brink and since 2TB wouldn't work with the PS3 I thought about using ps3netsrv (via gigabit ethernet ofc) but I wanna know how it performs against USB or the internal drive.

Also, are there any games that are not compatible with ps3netsrv? Does it work with PSX and PS2 games too?

 

[sandungas]

ISO in internal hdd ftw

 

[Berion]

This survey doesn't have to much sense for me. Read speed on USB 2.0 is in case of PS3 controller ~20MB/s (of course medium must offer such minimal read speed). Read speed of LAN is in my case ~20MB/s (but I test it only via FTP, which still is strangely toooo low). SATA internal or external doesn't matter as every communication are done by SATA controllers from both sides. In practise, You got maximum ~100MB/s (in case of SSD (again: strange) and ~70MB/s in case of HDD). Everything on PS3 is too damn slow.

Best launching method is no doubt disc images from internal SATA. If You want best efficiency use SSD (but CellOS doesn't support trim as I heard). You will not get high boost of average speed but very high boost in sectors seeking which should speed up a lot "JB format" games (which are obsolete from at least two years ;]) which have thousands of files (i.e Mass Effect series).

 

[shawly]

I just created the survey so that people could go the easy way and just vote, so I can get more opinions on the matter, I know it's not the intended way to use polls. The question about the internal or external drive connected to the SATA port was because of the difference between 2.5" drives and 3.5" drives and if there was a notable increase in performance when using a 3.5" drive.

I wish I could use a 2TB drive as an internal drive.
But the FTP speeds of my 1TB internal drive were actually slower than the 120GB standard drive and it took ages to transfer the amount of games I have onto the 1TB internal drive (roughly 10MB/s, with the 120GB drive I also got 20MB/s via FTP) and since I have a new PS3 cuz my old one died, I have to transfer my backups all over again.. I hoped ps3netsrv could deliver enough speed so I won't notice a difference and I could just play my backups from my NAS.

 

[Metalomeus]

My Ps3 is connected to my network via gigabit/Lan to a router and a laptop also connected via cable. I got read speeds about 60 - 90 MB/s. Games like TLOU are loading much faster than my orginal Disk ....

 

[shawly]

That sounds awesome! So I should be fine using ps3netsrv in this case, have you also tried playing PSX or PS2 games over the network?

 

[bguerville]

@shawly
From experience, I find using ps3netsrv to stream ps3 isos via ethernet totally sufficient but on average slower than using the internal hdd. I also find that it is slower than my ntfs SSD on USB.
Also, with ps3netsrv, some game files like ps2 isos must be copied to internal hdd before they are played. That totally defeats the purpose.
Note that different ps3netsrv versions & different backup managers use different ways to deal with certain types of files. Make sure you use the association of ps3netsrv & backup manager that better serves your needs.
In terms of features, your best bet is wMM with the very latest ps3netsrv by Aldo while the association of the original ps3netsrv with multiman is considered more stable by a number of people...

What is your NAS? Do you already have ps3netsrv compiled to work on it?

 

[Berion]

The question about the internal or external drive connected to the SATA port was because of the difference between 2.5" drives and 3.5" drives and if there was a notable increase in performance when using a 3.5" drive.

There is no difference in speed between 2.5 and 3.5 drives. Size doesn't matter. Speed is mainly determined by disc speed, cache, cache subsystem (in SHDD), how many there is discs, air density, helium gas presence (and it's level). Other aspects are software (firmware of this medium) related.

That's one of the reasons why this poll is bad designed. You should exclude storage devices types and focus on interfaces.

 

[Omage]

my experience
internal JB > LAN JB > internal ISO > LAN ISO

USB No test

 

[atreyu187]

Internal SATA but use at least a SSHD they are much quicker then even a 7200rpm HDD.

 

[shawly]

my experience
internal JB > LAN JB > internal ISO > LAN ISO

This is the first time I've heard that ISOs are slower than JB, especially over the network..

at least a SSHD they are much quicker

Alright, I could get myself an SSHD, the thing is, since I have around 1.2TB PS3 games, not counting in the 400GB PSX and PS2 games, I can't even fit them all onto the drive since the PS3 doesn't support 2TB on the internal SATA port.
Currently I have put all of my PSX and PS2 games on my current 1TB HDD and I play my PS3 games from my NAS via ps3netsrv and the loading times are indeed a little longer but still acceptable.

If there was a way to use 2TB HDDs as internal drive, that would be awesome, but since the PS3 doesn't support 2TB I don't see any real benefit in replacing my current HDD with an SSHD when I can't put all my games on the drive.

 

[atreyu187]

This is the first time I've heard that ISOs are slower than JB, especially over the network..



Alright, I could get myself an SSHD, the thing is, since I have around 1.2TB PS3 games, not counting in the 400GB PSX and PS2 games, I can't even fit them all onto the drive since the PS3 doesn't support 2TB on the internal SATA port.
Currently I have put all of my PSX and PS2 games on my current 1TB HDD and I play my PS3 games from my NAS via ps3netsrv and the loading times are indeed a little longer but still acceptable.

If there was a way to use 2TB HDDs as internal drive, that would be awesome, but since the PS3 doesn't support 2TB I don't see any real benefit in replacing my current HDD with an SSHD when I can't put all my games on the drive.

I have gotten 1.5tb HDD working in some PS3 models but if you ever have a forced database rebuild it also does a forced format. I have gotten 6tb working via USB formatted in 32kb clusters but only JB format PS3 games load, ISO simply will not even split.

 

[kozarovv]

I have gotten 1.5tb HDD working in some PS3 models but if you ever have a forced database rebuild it also does a forced format. I have gotten 6tb working via USB formatted in 32kb clusters but only JB format PS3 games load, ISO simply will not even split.

This happen on some newer firmwares only, iirc 4.70+

 

[depaul]

I actually have done some benchmarks with games like Gran Turismo 6.

The fastest method is on an SSD + the PSN installable version (yes, PSN installable version of games on SSD were loading for me faster than the JB or ISO version).

However, the second best and the most economical method would be the ISO format.