Bro i mail u for beta test
PS2 (WIP) XtremeEliteBoot+ (a powerful alternative for FMCB)
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mitrut0123
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XD
We have patience
TatsumaYakoshi
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Probally not, I'm signed up for BETA & didn't get files it's possible others did but Howling could just be busy.
Wait it out.
Well... I am not going to stress...
I actually believe he asked me back in 2011/2012 to test it out, so I sincerely believe that he has a project.
I just registered here as well, even tho' I am a long-time-reader&scener and even tho' some guys around here probably also know me since ~10 years (or even longer).
However I would like to have 1 question answered... Has/Had anyone EVER got(ten) a Beta-Release [of XEB+] to test?
On another note: I uploaded/released the FMCB 1.8b (unclean --> still includes some mods and unfinished features) source-code on GitHub, but refrained from posting a news-post about it, due to the delayed release of XEB+!
I will create a news-post about it these days. I actually wanted to post it quite a while ago and wanted to return to psx-scene last month... However, I was quite busy.
I really hope for a release once upon a/in time.
On another note/OT: The PS2-Scene is still quite active! It might be worth a look for various old-schoolers and newcomers!
Best regards,
TnA
I actually believe he asked me back in 2011/2012 to test it out, so I sincerely believe that he has a project.
I just registered here as well, even tho' I am a long-time-reader&scener and even tho' some guys around here probably also know me since ~10 years (or even longer).
However I would like to have 1 question answered... Has/Had anyone EVER got(ten) a Beta-Release [of XEB+] to test?
On another note: I uploaded/released the FMCB 1.8b (unclean --> still includes some mods and unfinished features) source-code on GitHub, but refrained from posting a news-post about it, due to the delayed release of XEB+!
I will create a news-post about it these days. I actually wanted to post it quite a while ago and wanted to return to psx-scene last month... However, I was quite busy.
I really hope for a release once upon a/in time.
On another note/OT: The PS2-Scene is still quite active! It might be worth a look for various old-schoolers and newcomers!
Best regards,
TnA
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I try to answer it in a short way, because it is a bit off-topic, even tho' it is quite related to the project and might be of use for @HWNJ
No, I started a thread on that elsewhere.
I disclosed and uploaded the FMCB 1.8(b) source on GitHub (which was previously closed).
Jimmikaelkael and some others mentioned they are fine with disclosing it.
This also means, that @sp193 can either keep his newest versions closed or can openly release it! Well... @l.oliveira probably has got a 'vote' in this as well.
On another note: The source isn't totally clean, because I did not track down all mods, but 95% of them.
I hope for someone with the clean source like @bootlegninja to come around and post it.
No! I did that back in the days, when the project stalled.
I changed some things like:
However... I just mentioned the source for these reasons:
I am quite sure, that both projects (XEB+ and FMCB/FHDB) could benefit from each other, especially if BOTH are open source!
I hope @HWNJ is fine!
Btw.: I prefer Snickers to keep my blood-sugar-levels high enough. I've got no diabetes (although I am probably the perfect candidate for it), but I do have a very 'sportive' metabolism... (So I have to eat a lot...)
Get well!
(Arrrr... Now it still became a long post.)
Best regards,
TnA
No, I started a thread on that elsewhere.
I disclosed and uploaded the FMCB 1.8(b) source on GitHub (which was previously closed).
Jimmikaelkael and some others mentioned they are fine with disclosing it.
This also means, that @sp193 can either keep his newest versions closed or can openly release it! Well... @l.oliveira probably has got a 'vote' in this as well.
On another note: The source isn't totally clean, because I did not track down all mods, but 95% of them.
I hope for someone with the clean source like @bootlegninja to come around and post it.
No! I did that back in the days, when the project stalled.
I changed some things like:
- Disc-detection-routine to include ELF-Paths for different disc-types and not limited to ESR-Discs. (I realized after uploading, that that's partially still in the code, but of course not functional because I tracked down most of my changes and removed them before uploading.)
- Extended the number of possible OSD-Items (so more ELFs could be linked to the 'hacked OSDSYS'). --> That's super easy and maybe @sp193 changes the value. However, it is also causing RAM-Usage to grow and it could crash, if the CNF overflows or is simply too big. But CNFs can be optimized a bit...
- Some GS- and Resolution-Tests (especially for the 'hacked OSDSYS') where there might be some leftovers as well...
- Some tests, which should be removed and some stuff I do not remember yet, but are definitely removed.
However... I just mentioned the source for these reasons:
- Something might be useful for this project.
- Eventually an even newer source will be available and it (FMCB) essentially becomes open source again, so then he might update it to XEB++.
- Hopefully someone with the clean 1.8b source can post it, so I can clean up the repo a bit.
I am quite sure, that both projects (XEB+ and FMCB/FHDB) could benefit from each other, especially if BOTH are open source!
I hope @HWNJ is fine!
Btw.: I prefer Snickers to keep my blood-sugar-levels high enough. I've got no diabetes (although I am probably the perfect candidate for it), but I do have a very 'sportive' metabolism... (So I have to eat a lot...)
Get well!
(Arrrr... Now it still became a long post.)
Best regards,
TnA
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MALK
Member
@HWNJ give us a teaser video a trailer a preview video a demo video a review video we don't care just any footage we are getting sleepy over here give us something to hype us and make us wait for it every second you don't know how it feels to wait this long hwnj just any proof video to shut the doubters up come on we wanna see something....if you pleas
MALK
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Nahh he didn't log in maybe he is hiding his online status i dunno .... but he's free to release it whenever he likes his condition is not helping him at all i hope he's ok we need the source code because some butt hurt developers like krahken die and kill the project with them (iam not saying you're like him @HWNJ what iam saying is after you release the first public version release the source code with it).
but iam sure @HWNJ will be back soon he always does that and get back with surprises.
but iam sure @HWNJ will be back soon he always does that and get back with surprises.
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sp193
Developer
If you wish to have the source code so that somebody else may continue on the project after he decides to throw in the towel and close the project because he felt like somebody was ruining things, then I would rather he keep it to himself to prevent that.
The reason why some of us closed our projects was because we did not wish to see a certain somebody ride off the glory and efforts of others, by making others look bad or by releasing new builds under his name. The developer took away your fun, so he must be bad right?
As for POPStarter: POPS is the emulator, not POPStarter. But POPStarter being closed source does not mean that certainly nobody else could make such a project, since POPS is floating around. But you have to know how to adjust POPS anyway. Even if the source code was available, it means nothing if you cannot work with POPS, which is closed source...
For projects like FMCB, there is also a risk that it will get bundled in some product and the makers will remove any branding. That was the reason why FMCB had its source kept closed for years, with anti-disassembly protection added at some point.
While FMCB may become open-source, he does not have to follow this path.
The reason why some of us closed our projects was because we did not wish to see a certain somebody ride off the glory and efforts of others, by making others look bad or by releasing new builds under his name. The developer took away your fun, so he must be bad right?
As for POPStarter: POPS is the emulator, not POPStarter. But POPStarter being closed source does not mean that certainly nobody else could make such a project, since POPS is floating around. But you have to know how to adjust POPS anyway. Even if the source code was available, it means nothing if you cannot work with POPS, which is closed source...
For projects like FMCB, there is also a risk that it will get bundled in some product and the makers will remove any branding. That was the reason why FMCB had its source kept closed for years, with anti-disassembly protection added at some point.
While FMCB may become open-source, he does not have to follow this path.
MALK
Member
thats called the selfish bullshit that ruined every project what glory and what some one running things its just a freakn app there is no glory nobody cares you think when i install ps2 homebrew for my friends they ask who is the developer or who created them nope they just freakn play and if developers like the drama and glory shit and they wanna fell that a developer is a boss that aint gonna happen developers make apps for people to benifit from not for glory or running the whole project its selfish and not right to kill a project with you and not make others help and continue the project.
sp193
Developer
If he was selfish, then he wouldn't even let you play with his creation...
You should be grateful that he did. Nobody owes you anything, especially when it's done for free.
This is a PlayStation 2 console, a system that is quite low-level by today's standards. You need to do alot of things to make a great project. We don't even have a good development environment, for debugging and testing (unlike the PC, which has Microsoft Visual Studio etc).
I'm sure we're aware that there are lots of users like that, but yet lots of people have made software.
Okay, then what if you were a developer, and somebody kept overriding your wishes? Of if people used your software, in a way that you would disagree to?
You may find it difficult to understand, but an extreme example would be if the said software was used in a crime. Or if it caused an inconvenience for other people.
You ask the group of individuals to stop, but they refuse to. They act like they have the rights to hold negotiations. Some of them also say disrespectful things about you, even if you did not do the same. It's called, biting the hand that feeds you.
When you start on a project, you would have some goals, a vision. If you cannot see that anymore, why should you continue?
Why continue on a project, which became associated with grief and misery? It's not about what you think you wrote or did, but the effect that your words and actions had.
Where's the respect for the developer, as another human being?
Even when people are abusive and toxic? Is it worth it then?
It is not even like he killed POPS. POPStarter is a project for booting the POPS emulator, but POPStarter is not the emulator.
The emulator is still there. You can still use the old binaries that were released, to start the emulator.
If anybody has the skill to continue the project, then somebody would have created a new POPStarter. Having the source code for this project means little, if you cannot work on the POPS emulator.
POPS is closed source, so it cannot be changed significantly. I have doubts that it could really grow towards 100% compatibility.
If he released the source code, I am sure it'll end up like OPL and FMCB. Nobody will actually improve on it, but there will be copies.
But look, this isn't even about POPStarter. You may hate somebody, but don't bring that to another project. Especially when it started from another forum.
Does the author of this thread know what happened? Would he care about something that was a done deal?
If you really wish for a project to not die out, then make it worth the developer's time.
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Krah
Developer
@MALK Do you have any idea the amount of time and hard work that goes in to coding one of these apps? If the developers choose to keep that work to themselves that's their decision to make, you can look at it as it their 'IP'. You should just be happy people are still willing to work on PS2.
So be quiet, stop talking about crap you have no idea about and be patient...or alternatively write your own damn app.
Like many have said before "No one owes you anything" not even an explanation at this point.
If @HWNJ is able to complete and release this even as a BETA, you don't deserve to even get a copy with the way you've been carrying on.
If it continues I would hope a mod will step in and give you some kind of temp-ban as your behavior is just unacceptable.
So be quiet, stop talking about crap you have no idea about and be patient...or alternatively write your own damn app.
Like many have said before "No one owes you anything" not even an explanation at this point.
If @HWNJ is able to complete and release this even as a BETA, you don't deserve to even get a copy with the way you've been carrying on.
If it continues I would hope a mod will step in and give you some kind of temp-ban as your behavior is just unacceptable.
sandungas
Developer
Thats an indirect consequence, the biggest motivation to keep working hard in something that is going to be given for free to other people usually is because creativity, because building things is fun, it can be anything, programming, or artistic design, or even a carpenter
When the motivation is over there is no fun, and there is no reason to continue
Using the software of someone is like a deal, you agree in whatever that person wants about "his" software
Sometimes not releasing the source code is a way to prevent other people to "kill" his motivation
And it can happen that you are building something really huge, and you want to release the source code at some point, but not in a intermediate step because you want to show "the final design" to other people... and from that point it can be discussed why is made that way exactly
This is satisfactory for the person that did this first design... and from that point it can be published and open to criticism and redesigns
Most probably the creator have a long list of arguments of why is made that way
MALK
Member
@Krah said: If it continues I would hope a mod will step in and give you some kind of temp-ban as your behavior is just unacceptable.
guess what boi you're back seat moderateing you're the one that should get a warning because of what you said.
but any ways i got the point now let's stick to the subject and not lose our cools.
guess what boi you're back seat moderateing you're the one that should get a warning because of what you said.
but any ways i got the point now let's stick to the subject and not lose our cools.
MALK
Member
@sp193 said:
extreme example would be if the said software was used in a crime. Or if it caused an inconvenience for other people.
That doesn't make since the example is soo flawed did someone said let's use pops to kill people ???¿¿¿.
use a live example not an extreme one.
@sp193 said:
If he released the source code, I am sure it'll end up like OPL and FMCB. Nobody will actually improve on it, but there will be copies.
nahh opl db is much better with more futures and more improved than the ifcaro.
@sp193 said:
But look, this isn't even about POPStarter. You may hate somebody, but don't bring that to another project. Especially when it started from another forum.
i dont hate any body i would only hate a specific action that has been done by an individual not the individual him self.
@sp193 said:
Where's the respect for the developer, as another human being?
thats called criticism its not hating or disrespecting you need to deal with people who misunderstand you.
you know how much i respect you hmmm... if you fart on my face i will say it smells good,,,but really its not hate its just not the right answer when opl source code got released it helped to make a good continue opldb.
if youre saying that the developer didnt want to releas the source code because of some drama and glory and he wants to be the only one to update his pops then it wouldnt change the fact that its a selfish action.
extreme example would be if the said software was used in a crime. Or if it caused an inconvenience for other people.
That doesn't make since the example is soo flawed did someone said let's use pops to kill people ???¿¿¿.
use a live example not an extreme one.
@sp193 said:
If he released the source code, I am sure it'll end up like OPL and FMCB. Nobody will actually improve on it, but there will be copies.
nahh opl db is much better with more futures and more improved than the ifcaro.
@sp193 said:
But look, this isn't even about POPStarter. You may hate somebody, but don't bring that to another project. Especially when it started from another forum.
i dont hate any body i would only hate a specific action that has been done by an individual not the individual him self.
@sp193 said:
Where's the respect for the developer, as another human being?
thats called criticism its not hating or disrespecting you need to deal with people who misunderstand you.
you know how much i respect you hmmm... if you fart on my face i will say it smells good,,,but really its not hate its just not the right answer when opl source code got released it helped to make a good continue opldb.
if youre saying that the developer didnt want to releas the source code because of some drama and glory and he wants to be the only one to update his pops then it wouldnt change the fact that its a selfish action.
@sp193: I agree with all you said, except for the sources of the programs.
Opening OPLs sources did made OPL, what it is today with features like VMC, PADEMU, GSM, CHEAT, HIRES, etc.
...as for FMCB... Well, I haven't seen the knockoffs yet. But I suppose it might happen...
However... The logo of it is still not meant to be changed!
@MALK: First off... The OPL-DB is neither 'superior' nor better than the ifcaro-repo... (It's... 'different')
In fact, all fixes and stability-updates or those for compatibility with more games or speed, originate from the ifcaro-repo and especially from the person you are currently arguing with...
Second... Some implementations of the code-base of OPL-DB and thus the extra-features is awkward.
It's implementation of POPStarter-Support is better now... (still against POPStarter's dev's wishes)
I don't really like the newer skin of the 'TA'-tagged builds, but it's interesting nonetheless. I just don't understand the 'tenth anniversary'-reference... It's 8 ¾ years...
But I like, that the DBs are quite up to date continuously.
It would be easier to read, if you would have used quotation-boxes...
Would you mind keeping the off topic away from this thread?
Opening OPLs sources did made OPL, what it is today with features like VMC, PADEMU, GSM, CHEAT, HIRES, etc.
...as for FMCB... Well, I haven't seen the knockoffs yet. But I suppose it might happen...
However... The logo of it is still not meant to be changed!
@MALK: First off... The OPL-DB is neither 'superior' nor better than the ifcaro-repo... (It's... 'different')
In fact, all fixes and stability-updates or those for compatibility with more games or speed, originate from the ifcaro-repo and especially from the person you are currently arguing with...
Second... Some implementations of the code-base of OPL-DB and thus the extra-features is awkward.
It's implementation of POPStarter-Support is better now... (still against POPStarter's dev's wishes)
I don't really like the newer skin of the 'TA'-tagged builds, but it's interesting nonetheless. I just don't understand the 'tenth anniversary'-reference... It's 8 ¾ years...
But I like, that the DBs are quite up to date continuously.
It would be easier to read, if you would have used quotation-boxes...
Would you mind keeping the off topic away from this thread?
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