PS3HEN Would it be possible to use KODI on PS3 now that hen is available?

[DeViL303]

well your the one that bothered and can't comprehend what i'm trying to say but yeah you do you buddy, and noticed i'd never mentioned Kodi but only you

Yes, I was talking about Kodi all along.. and you have been disagreeing with me, but now you say you are not even talking about Kodi..so I'm not sure why you are even disagreeing with me if you are not talking about Kodi, this thread is about Kodi, The Op was talking about Kodi, I was replying to the OP,, and I was 100% talking about Kodi..

 

[ps3mastar234]

Yes, I was talking about Kodi all along.. and you have been disagreeing with me, but now you say you are not even talking about Kodi..so I'm not sure why you are even disagreeing with me if you are not talking about Kodi, this thread is about Kodi, The Op was talking about Kodi, I was replying to the OP,, and I was 100% talking about Kodi..

oh lmao! i thought you meant like Homebrew in general

 

[DeViL303]

oh lmao! i thought you meant like Homebrew in general

I was wondering...

Especially when you said this

Also the lack of homebrew that Niander466 was trying to convey in his thread and you seeming like there was homebrew to begin when in actuality there kinda really sorta isn't per say

@Niander466 was not trying "convey" anything about any "lack of homebrew", not sure where you got that idea, He was asking a specific question about Kodi, it's even in the thread title.

Anyway, My point still stands.. homebrew in general is not any easier to make now..its actually harder, as HEN does not have as much access to the system as CFW.. so now HEN needs to be supported its actually more hassle to make homebrew.

 

[ps3mastar234]

so now HEN needs to be supported its actually more hassle to make homebrew.

Care to elaborate more on that?

 

[DeViL303]

Care to elaborate more on that?

Yes, HEN is a lot of hassle for developers.. I should know.. pretty much all my stuff would need to be rewritten for HEN with lots of stuff removed, AND my stuff is only basic XMB mods mostly.

So now instead of just supporting normal CFW syscalls and knowing exactly what access to the system we have, ie "full access" lets call it with CFW.. Now devs have to write homebrew to add detection for HEN/HFW, and work around it's limitations and issues, things like remaps, 3.55 signing etc etc, lots of homebrew now need to be re written to have stuff disabled when on HEN, and detection needs to be added so those things can be disabled. All this adds extra time and testing to development.. I'm not sure how anyone could say this makes creating homebrew easier.

I think maybe you have misunderstood HEN and think it is more powerful than CFW..which is simply not true. For the last 10 years approx, 60 million consoles have had the ability to run homebrew via CFW, now finally, the other 20 million consoles can run homebrew too, although slightly limited.

So really nothing has changed when it comes to apps like Kodi, my initial point was this: If a PS3 developer has had the ability to run homebrew with "full" access for almost 10 years.. why now is adding limited homebrew to some newer models of PS3 going to make any difference to him when it comes to making Kodi..

Unless you mean maybe there is a PS3 developer, who for example ONLY had a superslim console all along.. and now maybe you think he is going to decide to develop Kodi or some other cool homebrews as now HEN is available and he can hack his own console... ok , maybe a very small chance of that..is that your point?

 

[ps3mastar234]

Yes, HEN is a lot of hassle for developers.. I should know.. pretty much all my stuff would need to be rewritten for HEN with lots of stuff removed, AND my stuff is only basic XMB mods mostly.

So now instead of just supporting normal CFW syscalls and knowing exactly what access to the system we have, ie "full access" lets call it with CFW.. Now devs have to write homebrew to add detection for HEN/HFW, and work around it's limitations and issues, things like remaps, 3.55 signing etc etc, lots of homebrew now need to be re written to have stuff disabled when on HEN, and detection needs to be added so those things can be disabled. All this adds extra time and testing to development.. I'm not sure how anyone could say this makes creating homebrew easier.

I think maybe you have misunderstood HEN and think it is more powerful than CFW..which is simply not true. For the last 10 years approx, 60 million consoles have had the ability to run homebrew via CFW, now finally, the other 20 million consoles can run homebrew too, although slightly limited.

So really nothing has changed when it comes to apps like Kodi, my initial point was this: If a PS3 developer has had the ability to run homebrew with "full" access for almost 10 years.. why now is adding limited homebrew to some newer models of PS3 going to make any difference to him when it comes to making Kodi..

Unless you mean maybe there is a PS3 developer, who for example ONLY had a superslim console all along.. and now maybe you think he is going to decide to develop Kodi or some other cool homebrews as now HEN is available and he can hack his own console... ok , maybe a very small chance of that..is that your point?

Yes smartie, thank you

 

[DeViL303]

Yes smartie, thank you

Ok, Why didn't you just say that in the first place instead of making me say it lol.

So you DO think that maybe there is a new developer who will now make something amazing for HEN that has not been made on CFW..ok, it's good to be optimistic..hopefully this does draw in some new developers with real skills, we need more active devs like Habib, Joonie, aldostools, bguerville, esc0rtd3w.. So let's see I suppose.

I feel if any skilled developer was interested in doing a big project for ps3 like Kodi or similar, he would have done so on CFW years ago and would not have been waiting for a limited hack to come out so late in life cycle of the PS3, An E3 flasher can be got for like 30euro, and installing CFW is not hard, especially not for a developer with the skills required to create something like Kodi or similar.. So it's unlikely IMO due to that.

 

[Niander466]

I did not know that this publication would cause confusion, I'm sorry I just asked if it would be possible a version of the kodi for PS3, but @DeViL303 is absolutely right if it were to have this, they would have done more than 10 years in cfw.

 

[umart666]

in my opinion it has more to do that none of the devs of the kodi isn't interested in ps3 and/or doesn't have personal reason to use kodi on ps3,and it wasn't requested that much on their forums.in showtime/movian dev team there was at least couple of them that were very much active in ps3 scene (one and only legendary deank) that made everything possible.

that's why i'm saying that you try on their official forum,with of bit of luck you'll find out first hand reasons why.

 

[DeViL303]

in my opinion it has more to do that none of the devs of the kodi isn't interested in ps3 and/or doesn't have personal reason to use kodi on ps3,and it wasn't requested that much on their forums.in showtime/movian dev team there was at least couple of them that were very much active in ps3 scene (one and only legendary deank) that made everything possible.

that's why i'm saying that you try on their official forum,with of bit of luck you'll find out first hand reasons why.

I agree, and this is why I do not see it happening now either. If the Kodi team had of had a skilled PS developer on board, maybe it would have happened, HEN changes nothing really.

@ps3m@star234 The theoretical scenario where some new dev is going to come out now with some amazing stuff , as they only owned a superslim is not really realistic at all yet your whole arguement seems to be based on that, even though you never said it and waited for me to say it lol.

IMO ANY developer who wanted to make a homebrew for PS3 could have done so a long time ago, This is what i have never understood about non CFW compatible console owners...

• Most people with PS3s do not care about CFW or use it. I mean the majority of the 80million console owners/buyers.
• So for most people, a CECH300x is worth the same as a CECH210x
• So if you have a CECH300x and want a CECH210x, then it should be easy enough to sell it and buy a CFW compatible console
• Maybe you will have to put 10 or 20 euro with it to get the one you want.
• So for @ps3m@star234's theory to be true, it requires that there is skilled developer, who really wants to make something great for PS3, but has not been motivated enough to buy a flasher for 30euro, instead he has waited almost 10 years, hoping for a hack like HEN.. he was also not motivated enough to swap his non compatible console for a compatible one....

It's just not realistic.. Any interested dev would have been able to understand how easy it was to be on CFW all along.. also with the learning curve of the PS3, the only devs would be capable of creating something massive like Kodi, are already in the scene like deank. It would take a new dev years to get to the PS3 knowledge level of deank/aldostools for example. New devs like those are not just going to pop up and be creating massive PS3 projects out of the blue..how do I know this you might ask, based on current evidence that it never has happened before.

So I really do not know what difference HEN makes to this whole situation... once again for anyone who is not paying attention, CFW is better then HEN..and it always will be.

 

[umart666]

you can see that in secondhand prices (at least in my area),basically prices for all models are more or less the same (other than cecha and cechb as we didn't get them at release so they're all imported thus are way,way less common),being able to jb or not doesn't make huge difference.because discs are dirt cheap people doesn't bother with homebrew at all,i know personally at least 5-6 consoles being used just as netflix and yt machines (at to be honest,besides some ps2 games i also use my cechc mainly to power my crt's and i'm in no way typical ps3 user).

 

[DeViL303]

That's it, Anyone who actually wanted to could have had CFW at any time.. it would take a real lazy developer to sit there for 10 years saying "I hope a homebrew enabler comes out for my console so i can develop something" , and if the dev was that lazy about getting a homebrew capable console he probably wont make shit now either.

For lots of people, a CECH300x would actually be worth more than CECH200x, as it will have a bigger HDD most likely, and be a newer machine. So to all the people who waited years for Homebrew.. you are lazy feckers who could have done it years ago.

 

[ps3mastar234]

That's it, Anyone who actually wanted to could have had CFW at any time.. it would take a real lazy developer to sit there for 10 years saying "I hope a homebrew enabler comes out for my console so i can develop something" , and if the dev was that lazy about getting a homebrew capable console he probably wont make shit now either.

For lots of people, a CECH300x would actually be worth more than CECH200x, as it will have a bigger HDD most likely, and be a newer machine. So to all the people who waited years for Homebrew.. you are lazy feckers who could have done it years ago.

So your saying all and every PS3 developer in the scene that once made something and nowadays don't are lazy "feckers" wow... it seems you and me have something in common about this scene after all for you of all people to say that lol!

And yeah CFW is much more useful obviously but just the ease of installing it years BEFORE was really a major pain in the ass if you'd already seemed to forget.

And many developers were in fact was actually lazy and would rather work on a different console that didn't require to break apart your system and then mod it AND THEN finally get working on porting/making the homebrew game or app.

Do you really think ANYONE in their right mind would wanna go thru all that hassle just to finally do anything with it?!

And now with HEN (though limited) gives those "lazy devs" to do things with it.

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[atreyu187]

Yeah i know ODE is not CFW, you not reading what i'm saying lol, but anyways yeah i actually did implied there is no homebrew during the beginning that made to significance change to the scene before 3.55, sorry that backup managers took over the community for the worst turn and yes i am aware of the early emulators and Super Mario War being the only honorable mentions and well deserves it's place.... But that being said after ever since once 3.55 was over, no other homebrew devs didn't bother making any worthy apps outside of maybe ALMOST a Sega Dreamcast (Gary Opa is to blame) and Nintendo 64 (PS364 during the beginning) emulators early on long before RetroArch put a halt to everyone's tracks, but what happened to those? Yeah it could been difficult to make those a reality but it didn't stop the PSP and Wii from continuing did it?

And now since we got HAN and HEN there should be some vast progress because of it's ease to make stuff on it.

None of those things is why we do not have those apps. Sony is the reason we don't have those. We have a gimped dynarec is why. We have 64bit architecture with 32bit pointers. Now WTF does that mean? The reason some of those other machines have this is due to their architecture. They were able to use previously standing dynarecs and port it over to their systems.

Now for the PS3 we aren't able to fully utilize this on the PS3. We would need one written from scratch and with the PS3 being such a niche system it's probably never going to happen as it would take a massive team and amount of talent to do this. It isn't a single dev sort of thing.

Read this to help you grasp what I mean.
https://forums.libretro.com/t/proper-ps3-dynarec-now-available-on-higher-cfw-3-55-4-21-4-30/267

With their being much more friendly environments like Android nowadays with a much larger and established user base it makes sense they develop for these systems. Millions of users have access to Android whereas even with HEN/HAN/CFW there are only thousands. It's a massive undertaking where there is little need for it compared to something that doesn't take as much with a much larger fan base.

Why would some guys do this for free that need a team when a single hobbist developer can just jump into a much more friendly development area that has a more then ten times user base? It just doesn't make sense. That's not to say it's not wanted by some but going the PS3 route will have less effect, it's harder to do and takes much longer.

So suffice to say it's just not gonna happen. No one's gonna be the guy that takes a team to do something to have a small audience. When they can do what they love by themselves for a audience more then ten times bigger. If you want Kodi go get a device that runs it. Your not gonna see it on PS3 it's not the devs being lazy it's you all being cheap.

 

[Coldheart2236]

So your saying all and every PS3 developer in the scene that once made something and nowadays don't are lazy "feckers" wow

Are you deliberately misreading responses in this thread, or what? The point is that in the intervening ~10 years since CFW was possible, no developer has come forward to port Kodi to the PS3. The PS3 already has Movian - previously known as Showtime - which as already mentioned, has more or less the same features as Kodi. If a port of Kodi was forthcoming, it would have happened by now.

HEN will not revolutionise homebrew development on the PS3, because any would-be developers would have the know how for CFW before it was available via a total software solution, and hence would have emerged before HEN was given to them. It is delusional to believe otherwise.

So, it's nothing to do with laziness whatsoever. Anybody who is not a developer or does not contribute towards a developer's project in some way, cannot reasonably demand homebrew be developed for their own enjoyment. Kodi will not be coming to be the PS3, and HEN will do absolutely nothing to change that. This really should be the end of the discussion, as the thread has already veered off-topic as it is.

 

[DeViL303]

So your saying all and every PS3 developer in the scene that once made something and nowadays don't are lazy "feckers" wow... it seems you and me have something in common about this scene after all for you of all people to say that lol!

LOL, i think you do not understand English very well, I did not say anything like that at all you just made all that up.

And yeah CFW is much more useful obviously but just the ease of installing it years BEFORE was really a major pain in the ass if you'd already seemed to forget.

Installing CFW is easy.. not a major pain in the ass at all. Maybe for you it was difficult, but for any developer it would be easy. We are talking about developers here don't forget.

And many developers were in fact was actually lazy and would rather work on a different console that didn't require to break apart your system and then mod it AND THEN finally get working on porting/making the homebrew game or app.

lol. Its bloody easy to use a flasher for anyone technically minded. I did my first time after watching a 30 minute youtube video, first time was 100% sucess. So stop with that crap.

Do you really think ANYONE in their right mind would wanna go thru all that hassle just to finally do anything with it?!

LOL, again, its not that hard, maybe for you it is.

And now with HEN (though limited) gives those "lazy devs" to do things with it.

Ok, yes, maybe some devs who were never motivated in last 10 years to develope for ps3, are now going to use a limited hack called HEN instead.. ok I get your point, even though it was actually my point as you never even said it until i mentioned it lol , so yes, very unlikely but tiny chance its possible, lets come back to this thread in a year and see who is correct.

 

[atreyu187]

Are you deliberately misreading responses in this thread, or what? The point is that in the intervening ~10 years since CFW was possible, no developer has come forward to port Kodi to the PS3. The PS3 already has Movian - previously known as Showtime - which as already mentioned, has more or less the same features as Kodi. If a port of Kodi was forthcoming, it would have happened by now.

HEN will not revolutionise homebrew development on the PS3, because any would-be developers would have the know how for CFW before it was available via a total software solution, and hence would have emerged before HEN was given to them. It is delusional to believe otherwise.

So, it's nothing to do with laziness whatsoever. Anybody who is not a developer or does not contribute towards a developer's project in some way, cannot reasonably demand homebrew be developed for their own enjoyment. Kodi will not be coming to be the PS3, and HEN will do absolutely nothing to change that. This really should be the end of the discussion, as the thread has already veered off-topic as it is.

Yes but they can't stream their warez from the PS3!! And all the wonderful things we do have are due to these so called "lazy devs". Do yourself a favor guys if you want Kodi go spend $35 and get a friggin FireStick. You will then see Kodi isn't the end all for streaming, in fact it sucks. Then you don't have to wait for something that it will never happen with.

 

[ps3mastar234]

Are you deliberately misreading responses in this thread, or what? The point is that in the intervening ~10 years since CFW was possible, no developer has come forward to port Kodi to the PS3. The PS3 already has Movian - previously known as Showtime - which as already mentioned, has more or less the same features as Kodi. If a port of Kodi was forthcoming, it would have happened by now.

HEN will not revolutionise homebrew development on the PS3, because any would-be developers would have the know how for CFW before it was available via a total software solution, and hence would have emerged before HEN was given to them. It is delusional to believe otherwise.

So, it's nothing to do with laziness whatsoever. Anybody who is not a developer or does not contribute towards a developer's project in some way, cannot reasonably demand homebrew be developed for their own enjoyment. Kodi will not be coming to be the PS3, and HEN will do absolutely nothing to change that. This really should be the end of the discussion, as the thread has already veered off-topic as it is.

Never mentioned Kodi btw lol but keep up the ignorance buddy

 

[ps3mastar234]

LOL, i think you do not understand English very well, I did not say anything like that at all you just made all that up.


Installing CFW is easy.. not a major pain in the ass at all. Maybe for you it was difficult, but for any developer it would be easy. We are talking about developers here don't forget.


lol. Its bloody easy to use a flasher for anyone technically minded. I did my first time after watching a 30 minute youtube video, first time was 100% sucess. So stop with that crap.


LOL, again, its not that hard, maybe for you it is.

Ok, yes, maybe some devs who were never motivated in last 10 years to develope for ps3, are now going to use a limited hack called HEN instead.. ok I get your point, even though it was actually my point as you never even said it until i mentioned it lol , so yes, very unlikely but tiny chance its possible, lets come back to this thread in a year and see who is correct.

No you just refused to listen to everything i just said and rather have it fly over your head, maybe you is the one need to pick up a dictionary buddy boy!

And alright, i bet you gonna see a swarm of homebrew stuff very soon maybe not at alot because of the PS4 and (the superior) Switch taking over

 

[Coldheart2236]

Never mentioned Kodi btw lol but keep up the ignorance buddy

Keep up the shitposting and see what happens, "buddy".