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Fin9ersMcGee

Fin9ersMcGee

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So finally, after years and with only months before the Ps5 release, I bought a Ps4 Pro.

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It was new in May and hasn't been used at all. Comes with 2 games. Spiderman and something else I can't remember. It's been updated so I have no plans on jailbreaking for now. All I want to do is play Red Dead Redemption 2... My PC matches the minimum specs exactly, so I didn't want to dump money on a game that would maybe just about work at low spec... So Ps4 is a winner here

Proper excited to get into the Ps4s back catalogue of games I've missed
 
Fin9ersMcGee said:
So finally, after years and with only months before the Ps5 release, I bought a Ps4 Pro.

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It was new in May and hasn't been used at all. Comes with 2 games. Spiderman and something else I can't remember. It's been updated so I have no plans on jailbreaking for now. All I want to do is play Red Dead Redemption 2... My PC matches the minimum specs exactly, so I didn't want to dump money on a game that would maybe just about work at low spec... So Ps4 is a winner here

Proper excited to get into the Ps4s back catalogue of games I've missed
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enjoy! i havent worried about getting one because there just arent many games i want to play. of course rdr2 is top of that small list :)
 
If it is updated, You don't have really choice. ;p

I enjoyed some exclusives, especially the remakes (Crash trilogy, Spyro trilogy, Shadow of The Colossus and even MediEvil) but menu sucks as hell. :D But anyway, it is nice console and for sure worth to be bought. Especially that games prices on PS5 will be ridiculous and no full PS4 backward compatible...
 
Bloodborne is highly recommended from me. Until Dawn was a blast. And of course FF7 remake if you are into that sort of game.

EDIT: If you have PS+, I am pretty sure you will get Bloodborne in about a month or two.
 
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Bloodborne is highly recommended from me. Until Dawn was a blast. And of course FF7 remake if you are into that sort of game.

EDIT: If you have PS+, I am pretty sure you will get Bloodborne in about a month or two.
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I'm considering PS+ as my friend group is split between console and PC, and I'm currently only in the PC bracket. So will be nice to also be able to play with everyone.

I was and still am pretty upset about Ps4s PS+ requirement to play online, coming from Ps3 with free online gaming. The slight buttering of free monthly games is a little tantilising, but if you've seen what Epic Games Store have been pulling out the freebie bag for PC gamers, PS+ offerings aren't quite as appealing
 
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But straight up, I think I'm going to get lost in RDR2 for months. So won't need many more games for some time
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That game worths it :D

Btw, you could make your mind that you can play a lot of games like renting them, find a good physical shop near your home that buys and sells used PS4 games, and eventually take a look at what they have, i bet there are going to be lot of used games for cheap then play the game for a couple of months and sell it back to the same shop... after all is going to be like renting the game 2 months for 3$ or so
Way cheaper than what we was doing years ago renting the games in blockbuster at 2$ for 48 hours, lol
 
So... I thought to myself "Hey, I've got my PSN purchases. I'll just download some of those".

.... Nope

What the actual F!! Ps3 PSN purchases don't work on Ps4??!?! And then I look through the store to find there's practically no Ps1, ps2 or ps3 games listed for purchase.... F you Sony.
Oh wait... I can pay for their PS Now service and get just a few handful of back catalogue games.... F you Sony.

I just bought the damn Ps4, Sony... Now you want even more out of me so I can play my already bought (twice, once for OG disk and once for PSN)??

Rant over.
F you Sony.
 
Fin9ersMcGee said:
So... I thought to myself "Hey, I've got my PSN purchases. I'll just download some of those".

.... Nope

What the actual F!! Ps3 PSN purchases don't work on Ps4??!?! And then I look through the store to find there's practically no Ps1, ps2 or ps3 games listed for purchase.... F you Sony.
Oh wait... I can pay for their PS Now service and get just a few handful of back catalogue games.... F you Sony.

I just bought the damn Ps4, Sony... Now you want even more out of me so I can play my already bought (twice, once for OG disk and once for PSN)??

Rant over.
F you Sony.
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maybe you're a bit early to the party, sony is going (or already has started) to change the psn store...removing all ps3 (including ps1/ps2 classics), psp and psv content for download on some versions of the store. you should still be able to download them on the original systems tho.

https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/1314280265460584448/photo/1

But reading you rant again i'm starting to think you might've been under the impression that previously purchased psn content for other sony systems is backwards compatible with the ps4?
 
Fin9ersMcGee said:
What the actual F!! Ps3 PSN purchases don't work on Ps4??!?!
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PS4 is to weak to emulate PS3. So no, it doesn't and never will. Instead they offer streaming service called PlayStation Now. But f* the streaming if You ask me. ;]

And then I look through the store to find there's practically no Ps1, ps2 or ps3 games listed for purchase.... F you Sony.
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Actually, there is a lot of PSX, PS2 and PSP titles in PlayStation Store for PS4 but... now, emulation is transparent for the user. Emulators are per game (like i.e Patapons) or game packs (like i.e Mega Man collections). There is no longer "global emulators" in firmware and categories in store with games which could be run on them... Sony did this because peoples are stupid and more often buying retro games if the are branded as "remaster", even if this is technically not true.

However, bright side of this, developers which buying emulators can use complicated and powerful live patching for various of things (trophies, resources exchange on the fly, "cheats" etc.) and at least in theory, optimize it for his specific title(s). It is better for developers which no longer afraid of breaking stuff in new emulators revisions, so they publishing game once and never touch the code again without afraid that Sony makes their life's harder with some update. For us, consumers this have the same amount positives like negatives.

If PS4 will be ever truly hacked and real open SDK developed, all this issues will fade with i.e RetroArch. Except that there is no emulator in the wild which can decrypt PSS games on the fly (i.e none of emulator support *.pbp|PSAR (homebrew PSAR's are different!), none support PS3 or PSP *.pkg). On top of that PS4 ODD doesn't support CD and DVD, only BD (but I could be wrong, never test this so I base on Sony statements which I read before PS4 premiere ;p).

Even Microsoft drop the emulation in XBO which is not backward compatible. Someone could say, but how so, while user can put disc for i.e X360 in drive and play!? That's because disc is only a validation media, while game code is recompiled natively for XBO. That's another different approach to "emulation" and Sony in PS5 took this road too! PS4 games which can be launched on PS5 needs patches, which means they executables must be replaced by PS5 native code.
 
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Shoot don't feel bad I've not the cash to source a ps4 for my own yet. I've got a refurb job that's working so far(washer fix bad solder joint under apu), otherwise I've got 3 ps3s, one ceche(unicorn fat model 4 usbs and card reader) one 2001a and one cechp. So don't feel bad there's always someone showing up to the party later than yourself lol.
 
Berion said:
PS4 is to weak to emulate PS3. So no, it doesn't and never will. Instead they offer streaming service called PlayStation Now. But f* the streaming if You ask me. ;]





Actually, there is a lot of PSX, PS2 and PSP titles in PlayStation Store for PS4 but... now, emulation is transparent for the user. Emulators are per game (like i.e Patapons) or game packs (like i.e Mega Man collections). There is no longer "global emulators" in firmware and categories in store with games which could be run on them... Sony did this because peoples are stupid and more often buying retro games if the are branded as "remaster", even if this is technically not true.

However, bright side of this, developers which buying emulators can use complicated and powerful live patching for various of things (trophies, resources exchange on the fly, "cheats" etc.) and at least in theory, optimize it for his specific title(s). It is better for developers which no longer afraid of breaking stuff in new emulators revisions, so they publishing game once and never touch the code again without afraid that Sony makes their life's harder with some update. For us, consumers this have the same amount positives like negatives.

If PS4 will be ever truly hacked and real open SDK developed, all this issues will fade with i.e RetroArch. Except that there is no emulator in the wild which can decrypt PSS games on the fly (i.e none of emulator support *.pbp|PSAR (homebrew PSAR's are different!), none support PS3 or PSP *.pkg). On top of that PS4 ODD doesn't support CD and DVD, only BD (but I could be wrong, never test this so I base on Sony statements which I read before PS4 premiere ;p).

Even Microsoft drop the emulation in XBO which is not backward compatible. Someone could say, but how so, while user can put disc for i.e X360 in drive and play!? That's because disc is only a validation media, while game code is recompiled natively for XBO. That's another different approach to "emulation" and Sony in PS5 took this road too! PS4 games which can be launched on PS5 needs patches, which means they executables must be replaced by PS5 native code.
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Idk sony what the hell, doesn't support psn purchases ps3 on ps4... What were they thinking really, even ps5 can't handle this
 
Don't get me wrong...
I have a Ps3. I can play them on there. I'm just a big fan of console consolidation.
Although most of my games I've created from physical media myself, that doesn't take away the fact that ps1/ps2 games are available in the store. And I can't see why something as simple as a ps1 game (my phone from 10 years ago could emulate that) can't be available on the Ps4.

The whole thing smells of corporate money making and it pisses me off.

I will probably stick to disk only media for now as the used market prices aren't too sad and are likely to further decrease the closer the ps5s release approaches.

EDIT - Just to clarify, I'm annoyed I can't play my ps1 classics (purchased on Ps3) on my ps4. It seems like a simple task to allow me to play them. But, no, I need to buy the "remastered edition"... Another premium to play a game I already purchased twice. Or "PSN Now" a streaming service I don't want to pay for...
This streaming thing seems like it will become a big normal sometime down the road. And it's kinda cool in a way as you wouldn't need to buy expensive beefy hardware to stream, but at the same time, your basically tied to Sony forever. Similar to PS+, I need it to play online with friends, and the free games are cool, but I will only ever have them if I continue to pay for PS+, again, locked in forever.
 
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@Terrabyte_Spacemonkey PS5 at this moment doesn't support PSX, PS2, PS3, PSP and PSV games. When they will, it will be in the same way as on PS4. Via dedicated emulator per game or game pack. No freedom for user and no respect for old purchases as those are and will be completely new products (in except via PlayStation Now which sucks as all streaming shitservices).

@Fin9ersMcGee Additionally to what I said earlier, this is also because of flaw packaging design. Packages for PS3/PSV/PSP are the same. But those images and manual scans no longer match to menu design of PS4 and PS5 (higher resolutions etc.), and probably they want avoid keys problems for older systems like on PS3 which her hack open doors to i.e properly sign PS2 magic Gate contents which wasn't be possible otherwise. They even don't allow to use saves from PS4 for PS4 games used on PS5, probably to avoid PFS break on PS4 in case of PS5 hack in future.

Sony have now total domination on the market and this is why they are so anti-consumer. I hope MS in this generation hardly beat they asses so maybe we will see our retro content bought on PS3/PSP to be compatible with PS5. ^^
 
I was and still am pretty upset about Ps4s PS+ requirement to play online, coming from Ps3 with free online gaming. The slight buttering of free monthly games is a little tantilising, but if you've seen what Epic Games Store have been pulling out the freebie bag for PC gamers, PS+ offerings aren't quite as appealing
 
I got the ps4 pro also. I still like the xbar interface better than the windows 8 lookalike menu or whatever...
No real serious complaints, I like the ps3 controller better, and I like the console aesthetic of the cech2XXX series slims better than the 4 or the 5. No real complaints about the ps4 pro...
 
Sony have now total domination on the market and this is why they are so anti-consumer. I hope MS in this generation hardly beat they asses so maybe we will see our retro content bought on PS3/PSP to be compatible with PS5.

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Took a couple of weeks to see a friend to borrow his copy of RDR2. Packed up my Ps4 Pro and headed to my sisters (she was out of town and has a 4k TV) Just.... wow.... Such detail and depth. And this was without HDR (Just a 4k TV, doesn't support HDR)
Now I'm looking at 4k TVs with HDR (-_-) lol... Another expense...

I completed the mission "A Quiet Time" and oh my lord... I haven't laughed so much in quite a while. Rockstar really nailed getting "shit-faced". "LEEENNNNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYY"... "Lenny ma boooyyy" :glee::glee::glee::glee::glee:
 
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