PS2 Newer OPL builds can't see HDD on 2TB?

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EposVox

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Hey all, tearing my hair out here. I've been working on my dream FHDB image for 2 years, and as a final update, wanted to use the newer OPL builds for POPSTARTER support for PS1 games. Using v1.0 or the daily build grabbed last night, imaging to a 2TB drive, OPL cannot see the +OPL partition at all. It can't see any HDD games, apps, etc. and can't write settings.

Older OPL versions (from 2020) seem to read it fine and save fine, and the same image on a 60GB SSD (what I built the image from) seems to work fine, as well. But when I take that image and apply it to a 2TB drive, suddenly OPL just doesn't read anything with these newer versions.

Any ideas? I tried deleting all the config files to no avail. The fact that it works fine on 60GB but not 2TB, meanwhile older versions work fine on both is also really bizarre to me. Not sure what to make of it. I've been using the "make image on 60GB then burn it to 2TB drive" strategy for 2 years without issue with older OPL versions, so I don't think the size difference should matter.

Here is a video of the image working fine on 60GB (this is after re-imaging with the image, so the image isn't corrupt either):
Here is a video of it NOT working on 2TB:

Right away the obvious differences also including that OPL boots immediately on 60GB, but (not shown in the clip) takes like 3 minutes to load on 2TB with a black screen, AND (visible in clip) the 60GB loads the themes right away and the 2TB can't even see the themes since it seemingly can't see the HDD. Which it's literally running off of. lol.

Version on both of these is OPL v1.2.0-Beta-DB-2202-642FE4E, but I get the same results with a 1.10 ELF I've tried.
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Oh wow, I feel like an idiot. I had no idea! I won't use that from now on.
Does that mean PS1 game lists is not an official feature at all?

As to the testing:
1.10 and the 1.20 beta still do not work:
1.10 -
1.20 beta -
Meanwhile 0.9.3 works immediately -

Deleting the opl config in the +OPL folder does not change anything for 1.1/1.2. Still can't save settings.
 
Literally every FHDB installation guide involves imaging the drive... also that's the entire point of the project. So, nah I'd like help with my actual issue please.

Also as an annoying, but possibly productive update, running 1.1/1.2 from a memory card (or from HDD and letting it save settings to MC) gives me error 221 that it can't even see the HDD at all.
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EposVox said:
Oh wow, I feel like an idiot. I had no idea! I won't use that from now on.
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Jay-Jay lied in the OPL DB release thread and used a fishing name... Don't feel like an idiot. It's expected that a lot of people will fall into that...

EposVox said:
Does that mean PS1 game lists is not an official feature at all?
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No, it is not.

EposVox said:
Literally every FHDB installation guide involves imaging the drive...
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Which is another error. These "guides" were not made by the official devs.

As everyone in the scene says:
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So, yeah, avoid these images. They causes a lot of issues.

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Also as an annoying, but possibly productive update, running 1.1/1.2 from a memory card (or from HDD and letting it save settings to MC) gives me error 221 that it can't even see the HDD at all.
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Just run OPL from mc0 and done...
 
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Literally every FHDB installation guide involves imaging the drive...
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That is NOT true.

also that's the entire point of the project.
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No it is NOT!

The point of the project is making the internal HDD bootable and launch code via it, NOT to image a pre-installed setup and copy that image to another HDD and hence F'n up the APA structure.

That was NEVER the intention and I can tell you, because I am the one who proposed the images as an entry (ONLY), to get FMCB installed and to later setup the HDD properly! That was even before the existence of FHDB!

/s But I figure you know way better about my intentions than I do...

So, nah I'd like help with my actual issue please.
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Your actual issue IS, that you are using an image on ANOTHER HDD...
You want to keep fiddling with a bugged APA Structure? Go ahead and we can only ignore every single of your bug- or issue-reports and neither can we help you on your problems, because you are unwilling to truly fix them!

Also as an annoying, but possibly productive update, running 1.1/1.2 from a memory card (or from HDD and letting it save settings to MC) gives me error 221 that it can't even see the HDD at all.
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Well... When OPL can't detect your HDD, your "dream image" wouldn't even help you if it would not F up the APA-Structure.
 
I mean, this is the equivalent of "just use Arch lul".
By "point of the project" I was referring to my project that I'm asking for help with.
Every other filesystem on earth seems to be totally fine being imaged across different hard drives, so not only do I not see any reason for that to be different here (and again, especially given there's a HUGE scene of FHDB image distribution, even pinned threads on this very forum), and regarding "bugged structure" yada yada - there seems to be no easily findable documentation about how the partition tables and such even work in PFS.
Between a lack of, or obfuscated documentation and this kind of anti-user railroading, it's no wonder people stray away looking for people actually interested in helping and end up on that other site. Holy crap, guys.

Feel free to mark this as solved or delete it or whatever. I'm never coming back. This is hilariously awful. I don't know how dev circles get so angry and anti-user so quickly, but ooh boy is it exhausting. This is why I make "shitty guides" for people because I would never in a million years want to put any of my viewers, friends, or self at this point in contact with people like this. If the only place people can get support is actively hostile, there's no hope.

Peace.
 
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I mean, this is the equivalent of "just use Arch lul".
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You don't even clarify what you refer to by "this"... Our answers? You don't like facts?

By "point of the project" I was referring to my project that I'm asking for help with.
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Well, if you can't be specific we have to assume to give you any answer approximating any help.

Again... Imaging a PS2 HDD over to another HDD BREAKS the APA Chain, which in turn means that you WILL run into problems with it.

Problems that the OPL or FHDB developers have been bothered with for no reason, since the "image install" was introduced.

Every other filesystem on earth seems to be totally fine being imaged
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APA is NOT a "filesystem", but a "partitioning scheme"... One which BREAKS, when you image it over to another HDD.

across different hard drives, so not only do I not see any reason for that to be different here
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Yes... Because you don't understand it...!
Besides that HDDs can have unique identifiers and when a software on that HDD checks for them, it would make your argument callapse right there...

But that is not the issue... The issue is "breaking the APA chain"!

(and again, especially given there's a HUGE scene of FHDB image distribution, even pinned threads on this very forum), and regarding "bugged structure" yada yada - there seems to be no easily findable documentation about how the partition tables and such even work in PFS.
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PFS can be INSIDE an APA-Block........ It is totally unrelated!

Between a lack of, or obfuscated documentation
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The information is available in abundance, but you chose to search in user-forums not specialized on development.

and this kind of anti-user railroading,
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What?? What you are insinuating is just blatantly false!

You made claims... I checked them and the falsifiability of it shows that you are incorrect! That's called "the scientific method (of working)"!

Facts don't magically change, because you don't like them.

it's no wonder people stray away looking for people actually interested in helping and end up on that other site. Holy crap, guys.
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My sentence above addresses this.

Feel free to mark this as solved or delete it or whatever. I'm never coming back.
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Well... If you can't stand facts, that is your choice.

This is hilariously awful. I don't know how dev circles get so angry and anti-user so quickly, but ooh boy is it exhausting.
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It just might be, because some users think they know it all better and do it willy-nilly instead of following proper directions how to do things and later on they come back with "problems" Noone else beside them have, because they did not set their stuff up correctly in the first place and hence just wasting time for all involved in a discussion.

Time which could have been used for proper instructions for users which are "willing to listen", or to do some app-development. Time these types of users you are talking about are wasting...

This is why I make "shitty guides" for people because I would never in a million years want to put any of my viewers, friends, or self at this point in contact with people like this. If the only place people can get support is actively hostile, there's no hope.

Peace.
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"people like this"
"actively hostile"

You make a lot of claims and false insinuations, which you have yet failed to substantiate in any way, shape or form.

I am not hostile at all.
I pointed to images not being reliable, via a very short comment...

You obviously "knew it better" and claimed things on behalf of your assumption, which I merely corrected. That has nothing to do with hostility, but with presenting facts to a user who chose to take a path (to setup his HDD) which will not end well over time and WILL lead to corruption at one point in time and then the glorious "dream image" is exactly that... A lost dream (of the past)!
 
It is very interesting to read, what you interpret into text.

Obviously you didn't even read it.
 
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I don't know how dev circles get so angry and anti-user so quickly, but ooh boy is it exhausting. This is why I make "shitty guides" for people because I would never in a million years want to put any of my viewers, friends, or self at this point in contact with people like this.
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this why those guides are so shitty...

because the people who upload them to youtube do not even know that they are using unofficial versions.

because they do not believe the answers given (IF they even bother to ask).

because they take the user away from the developer, beta-testers, and fellow users who hang out here by repacking the downloads instead of pointing to the developer's site.

because they ask for donations which they do not share with the developers [think about it...if you made a living by taking pictures of ducks eating in the park, are you going to feed the ducks or wait all day for somebody else to foot the bill?].

if this is not the first time you have had a spat with a "dev circle", perhaps you should consider this line from a comedy song - "if you've been married eight times, maybe it's you".
 
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