No Sound with HDMI Audio Extractor while In-Game

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shawly

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So I'm using an audio extractor to get an optical audio output from my AVR since it doesn't have one.
The optical output is connected to the optical input of my USB Sound Card on my PC, that way I can hear the sound from my AVR on my headset while chatting with my friends over Teamspeak.

This works flawlessly for my Xbox One, 360 and PS4, but I don't have any sound when I'm In-Game on my PS3 and I can't figure out why.. When I'm within the XMB I can hear the sound from navigating through the menu and the boot sound, but as soon as I start the game it switches and the sound goes off. But it's still transmitted via HDMI, so if I play on my TV the sound comes through my AVR perfectly fine while playing, just not when I'm at my PC monitor using the audio extractor.

I already tried setting PCM 44.1KHz and PCM 48KHz within the Audio Settings because my USB Soundcard only supports these formats but it still won't work while playing games.
It's really frustrating since the PS3 is the only console that I can't play on my PC monitor while chatting with friends, except if I ignore the missing sound but that's not an option..

Does anyone have an idea why this is happening?
 
I just tried it, didn't help I get the same results.. There is no sound when I start homebrew, apps or games, but as soon as I switch back to the XMB I get sound again, it's really strange and I don't know if it's the Audio Extractors fault or if the PS3 is at fault and it doesn't work with Audio Extractors at all. My other consoles work fine without tweaking anything.
 
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To be honest I don't know what is audio extractor. But if you are connecting PS3 digital optical output to any device with digital optical input with compatible settings, it should work.

Try to make setup only for that optical cable, turn off hdmi sound option in PS3, and try again.
 
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https://www.amazon.com/Tendak-Optic...id=1493749180&sr=8-3&keywords=audio+extractor

This is an audio extractor, you plug in one hdmi source and it extracts the audio from that source so you can use an optical cable to connect it to any device that has an optical input.
It has nothing to do with the PS3s multi audio output or with the PS3s optical output, only HDMI is relevant for it to work.
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Why don't just use PS3 optical output? I don't get it.
Anyway, your issue can be a HDCP security used in PS3 hdmi.
 
Because I have multiple consoles like I said, that way I don't need an optical cable for every console and I don't have to get a toslink switch.
The audio extractor definitely supports HDCP, since all the other consoles also have HDCP.
 
shawly said:
The audio extractor definitely supports HDCP, since all the other consoles also have HDCP.
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Xbox 360 is require HDCP only when playing DVD movie or using netflix, similar situation in PS4 case. Ps3 have HDCP enabled by hardware chip for all software types. I don't see any other reason why it not work for you.

You can try to run some DVD video on X360 with this setup? If there still will be audio then I'm wrong. I really don't have more ideas. Maybe other members can help better here.

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I have another idea about your setup.. Not brilliant one, but can be enough to fix your setup.. Use AV multi output cable for audio connection to your Hi-Fi by 2 chinch cables (white, red). For sure your Hi-Fi have some free analog input "slot". I used this setup before I brought amplifier with optical input.
 
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I already tried setting PCM 44.1KHz and PCM 48KHz within the Audio Settings because my USB Soundcard only supports these formats but it still won't work while playing games.
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Be sure to disable all other audio modes btw, you didnt mention in detail if you had others enabled
 
kozarovv said:
I have another idea about your setup.. Not brilliant one, but can be enough to fix your setup.. Use AV multi output cable for audio connection to your Hi-Fi by 2 chinch cables (white, red). For sure your Hi-Fi have some free analog input "slot". I used this setup before I brought amplifier with optical input.
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But that would decrease quality and probably adds a delay, since the audio gets converted to analog and then gets converted back into a digital signal.

@sandungas
I did disable all other audio modes, I also set the audio configuration to automatic to see which formats get recognized and the PS3 does in fact already set these both formats as default.

I also contacted the manufacturer of the device and they said it's definitely an issue with the PS3 and not the audio extractors fault..
The device also definitely supports HDCP and it also supports the PCM format https://www.ligawo.eu/audio-video-g...litter-1x2-3d-audio-edid-steuerung/a-6518755/

Maybe I could edit the xRegistry.sys? I got NTSC mode working for my CRT TV this way by editing the registry, maybe there are some hidden options I could try to get the sound working.
 
shawly said:
@sandungas
I did disable all other audio modes, I also set the audio configuration to automatic to see which formats get recognized and the PS3 does in fact already set these both formats as default.

I also contacted the manufacturer of the device and they said it's definitely an issue with the PS3 and not the audio extractors fault..
The device also definitely supports HDCP and it also supports the PCM format https://www.ligawo.eu/audio-video-g...litter-1x2-3d-audio-edid-steuerung/a-6518755/

Maybe I could edit the xRegistry.sys? I got NTSC mode working for my CRT TV this way by editing the registry, maybe there are some hidden options I could try to get the sound working.
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I mentioned to disable the others because that works in combination with some "flags" used by the games/apps that are enabled/disabled in the PARAM.SFO file
http://www.psdevwiki.com/ps3/PARAM.SFO#SOUND_FORMAT

This works in combination with the general audio settings on XMB
Lets say the app you are going to boot allows for all sound formats (so it has all that flags from the link i posted enabled)... the firmware compares them with the ones you have enabled in XMB... and from the list of the ones that matches it chooses the best one
LPCM 2.0 is pretty much the basic one... is like mandatory, all games/apps have it enabled

I was wodering maybe your problem is when booting the game/app if it was choosing one of the others that are not LPCM (and are not supported by your device) but im not so sure if this is the problem

You can use some small game or homebrew (with sound) and modify the PARAM.SFO to remove all other sound modes and keep only LPCM 2.0 and see if that works... but is going to be mostly for curiosity sake, because even if it works i dont think you want to modify all PARAM.SFO files from all your games/apps

P.S.
The point of doing what im suggesting, is if you boot a game/app that only has LPCM 2.0 enabled in the PARAM.SFO... then it doesnt matter which audio modes you have enabled in XMB
The firmware makes the comparison of the audio modes supported by the game/app (from the PARAM.SFO that only has LPCM 2.0) with the audio modes you have enabled in XMB... and the only one that matches is going to be LPCM 2.0... so is going to boot with LPCM 2.0 for sure
 
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Once I get home I'll try to edit the PARAM.SFO of MultiMan, if it works I should be able to hear the background music.

I just checked the PS3 Dev Wiki for some infos about the xRegistry settings: http://www.psdevwiki.com/ps3/XRegistry.sys#Common_Settings
But it seems like these are just the settings that you can also configure within the XMB.

The setting /setting/sound/0/dts seems interesting though. I'll try to enable PCM and DTS since the HDMI Splitter supports both, AC3 doesn't seem to be an option.

I'll also try to disable HDCP (/setting/display/0/hdcp) since there is also a setting for it, maybe this could solve the issue.
 
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I'll also try to disable HDCP (/setting/display/0/hdcp) since there is also a setting for it, maybe this could solve the issue.
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Setting is for AV Test units iirc. For sure is not work on retail or converted dex console. Like I said before HDCP in retail ps3 is hardware "feature".
 
shawly said:
Once I get home I'll try to edit the PARAM.SFO of MultiMan, if it works I should be able to hear the background music.

I just checked the PS3 Dev Wiki for some infos about the xRegistry settings: http://www.psdevwiki.com/ps3/XRegistry.sys#Common_Settings
But it seems like these are just the settings that you can also configure within the XMB.

The setting /setting/sound/0/dts seems interesting though. I'll try to enable PCM and DTS since the HDMI Splitter supports both, AC3 doesn't seem to be an option.
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Yes, most of them are available from XMB, not sure how works dts though

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I'll also try to disable HDCP (/setting/display/0/hdcp) since there is also a setting for it, maybe this could solve the issue.
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If i remember correctly... the PS3 models that has HDCP disabled are special, named "AV test" and are available (at a high price and under license) for blu-ray-video producers
Are very rare, i never seen one, are the same hardware than retail, but has some flags and other software id's different from retail (probably at syscon and/or EID level)

To remove HDCP probably is needed more hacking... but i have not read anything about it time ago
 
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So I've tested it with editing the PARAM.SFO, didn't work at all. I've also tried playing some PSX games, but they also don't have any audio, so editing the PARAM.SFO files wouldn't be the solution I need anyway..
I've tried enabling DTS, but that gave me the same results, PCM should be the way to go..
There is also a switch on my HDMI splitter where I can set its EDID info to 2.0 or 5.1 so the PS3 should recognize it as 2 Ch device or as 5.1 device, I haven't tried it yet because 2.0 is the correct setting since I'm using a normal headset, but I guess I'll also test this just to be sure.

If everything won't work the last option is to connect my HDMI splitter directly to the PS3, maybe it's my AVR that's causing problems, if it isn't, I'm probably out of luck since the manufacturer says that it shouldn't be the splitters fault and their newer model wouldn't fix this issue if it were the splitters fault.

Guess the only way would be using the PS3s optical output then, time to buy new hardware...
 
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So I recently found out, that there actually is a game, that has sound with my setup! Ni no Kuni delivers perfect sound via the optical out connected to my PC.
I also found out that the soundcard is definitely the culprit. So I ordered a Creative X-Fi Titanium which should be able to at least recognize the stereo format properly.

Seems like the PS3 still wants to use a format other than LPCM (I already checked BD/DVD settings, the audio format is set to LPCM, Bitstream won't work) for most games, which is why my soundcard wouldn't output any sound. I think the X-Fi Titanium fixes this issue. IF it doesn't I have found plenty of other models that even support DTS and DDL, luckily there are open-source drivers for Win 10 and I even have a PCI slot on my motherboard, so I'd say my problem will be solved soon.
 
The X-Fi Titanium fixed my problem, even though I haven't yet understoood where the difference is to other soundcards, especially newer ones because I also tried the Creative X-Fi HD USB for 70 bucks which didn't work and gave the same results as the LogiLink box for 20. The Titanium also doesn't have a decoder btw so the missing Dolby Digital support wasn't the issue here.
Good thing is, I got the X-Fi Titanium for 20 bucks used and it works perfect with all my games, so I'm fine with that solution.
 
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