I wont worry about TBW , my 500 gb 860 evo got 300 TBW , if I buy 1 TB I will have600 TBW
34 TB in like 2 years and half , now imagine ps3 with little use just running and copying games, a 300 TBW will last forever lol
PS3 Ps3, lack of Trim and the potential for ssd use.
I wont worry about TBW , my 500 gb 860 evo got 300 TBW , if I buy 1 TB I will have600 TBW
34 TB in like 2 years and half , now imagine ps3 with little use just running and copying games, a 300 TBW will last forever lol
There is no problem with SSDs on PS3. Of course PS3 doesn't have TRIM feature & speed limited to only SATA 1 port speeds. SSDs don't die overnight without TRIM, they have long hours of life, many years. One thing you can do is buy an SSD at least 40% above your space needs. But i don't think you will get any performance boost on PS3 with SSD. Even in base PS4, there is marginal performance boost because of SATA 2 port limitations.
Atari800
Member
Sorry to bring up an old subject but...
Since the PS3 has a SATA150 controller and new SSD drives have better built-in maintenance, does it really "slow down" on heavy use over a long time? SATA150 is 1.5Gbit/s (~150MB/s), SATA300 is 3Gbit/s (~300MB/s) and SATA600 is 6Gbit/s (~600MB/s).
Since these new drives have garbage collection, and wear leveling and other magic that needs to be performed extremely fast to keep up performance near the designed speed, file (or files) that get rewritten over and over on an SSD just get the page of sectors invalidated and use a blank area or an invalidated area (which it has to zero out first before writing) at blazing speed. I would not expect to see PS3 slowing down anywhere near the stock Seagate 5400 rpm drives the are in there now even if they need a trim.
*I am using one in my PS3 and it is running just fine.
Since the PS3 has a SATA150 controller and new SSD drives have better built-in maintenance, does it really "slow down" on heavy use over a long time? SATA150 is 1.5Gbit/s (~150MB/s), SATA300 is 3Gbit/s (~300MB/s) and SATA600 is 6Gbit/s (~600MB/s).
Since these new drives have garbage collection, and wear leveling and other magic that needs to be performed extremely fast to keep up performance near the designed speed, file (or files) that get rewritten over and over on an SSD just get the page of sectors invalidated and use a blank area or an invalidated area (which it has to zero out first before writing) at blazing speed. I would not expect to see PS3 slowing down anywhere near the stock Seagate 5400 rpm drives the are in there now even if they need a trim.
*I am using one in my PS3 and it is running just fine.
RandQalan
Member
Ok some mith busting. Say ssd is bad for ps3. My experience way better loading times. Longer compatible with out reinstall. GB collection is a mith since 1996 SSD. They can handle TT delete Single delete on levels of HDD of old. I have a SSD now 4 years for ps3. My prior HDD Failure was 2 years 7200rpmSATA good HDD. It was not HDD problem S property F up.
FYI U top loading better BS handeling SSD.
FYI do not let check go more 1 in 3 and only if u know real problem.
Like total freeze in installed game
total os boot problem
worst case OS corruption
always Backup home on new installation of game and backup registry
with this all HDD SSD will always be recover NP
sandungas
Developer
Mostly because the DRAM is going to increase the SSD price but probably is not going to improve the speeds in the PS3
Bowi
Forum Noob
Thanks. I don't personally plan to put a "premium" SSD in my PS3 because good HDDs are still about the same price (C$56-70) as cheap DRAM-less SSDs. (And I prefer a good HDD over DRAM-less.)
Also, since Digital Foundry and other news outlets already showed that latest SuperSlim models had "Advanced Format" HDDs in them, we can assume that any modern HDD will work in a vanilla PS3. (I think there's a storage size limit, but I wouldn't need more than 500 GB anyway.) There was a concern about HDD switching from the "CRM" (or "PRM") technique to the "SRM" one, but I bet modern HDD are good enough even with SRM.
However, back on the topic, I think some tests could be interesting between DRAM-less and DRAM-equipped SSDs:
Currently, cheap Kingston A400 SSDs (C$62) are easy to find, but they seem to be very slow and prone to latency issues on Windows 10 when all types of caching are disabled... I assume that SSDs in PS3s don't benefit from any caching, so I'm a bit concerned about using DRAM-less SSDs, especially when you can buy a relatively cheap a Crucial MX500 (C$77) which has 512 MB of DRAM. (That being said, the slow speeds were mostly affecting writing, not reading... (I don't remember about the latency issues though...)
| Storage (480-500 GB) | Price (canadian dollars) |
| Seagate Barracuda (HDD; AF; SRM) | $56 |
| WD Black (HDD; AF; CRM) | $70 |
| Kingston A400 (SSD, DRAM-less) (480 GB) | $62 |
| Crucial MX500 (SSD, 512 MB of DRAM) | $77 |
So... Yeah... ... It might be simpler to just put an HDD, but people with money to spare could try the MX500, or even make some tests between both types of SSDs...
Bowi
Forum Noob
IIRC, 500 GB SSDs have 12 GB or something similar for overprovisioning. This is not a lot, but this might be enough for a PS3 as long as the user doesn't start deleting/reinstalling/etc. games for no reasons... I read that the PS3 has something like a 2 GB swapfile, so maybe that is small enough to not destroy the SSD... If I remember correctly, games like The Last of Us would retain the fast load speeds between power cycles, but... maybe The Last of Us had a dedicated swap file.
Iridule
Member
Just recently upgraded to the Kingston a400 960GB... On the regular 5400 RPM drive uncharted 3 and The last of Us had all types of graphical glitches at the beginning of the game which aren't there on the SSD. Although I have noticed sometimes it will say appropriate storage device not found but then when I turn the PS3 off and back on it works... I didn't know if maybe my Xregistry file was getting confused because it contains entries for the old hard drive and this one since it's on the NAND?
_XBrD4shDOE_808_
Member
I'll leave my report with my system when switching storage for both HDD and SSD.
A few months ago I installed an SSD in my PS3 SS, trying my luck after the bad luck I had with conventional HDD's, but I didn't get very good results.
For my tests I used a 128gb SSD Xraydisk, Chinese SSD.
Sorry for the long post, but I felt it necessary to describe everything for possible records or the like.
A few months ago I installed an SSD in my PS3 SS, trying my luck after the bad luck I had with conventional HDD's, but I didn't get very good results.
His original 250gb HDD was bad, I installed a new HDD WD Black 500gb and it was a few months of stress.
Games like Portal 2, Uncharted 3 and some others, installed on the HDD via PKG or ISO, had problems loading the scenery.
Uncharted 3 for example, in a part right at the beginning when we come out of a well - I forgot the name or chapter - the scenery didn't load, the ground didn't load, it was transparent. I reloaded the game several times and it had the same problem, until one day the map loaded, but the textures were in very low resolution, as if the system couldn't load and process them.
Interestingly, the HDD access indicator led at these times almost always had direct access, as if it were in a heavy transfer operation, and in some cases the led went off and didn't light up anymore, if I kept playing with the game it crashed and, if I tried to exit the game, the system crashed and restarted automatically.
Portal 2 had the same problem. (installed via PKG)
In a certain chapter, where we are escaping in a kind of tram attached to a rope, like a zip line - I haven't played Portal for more than half a year, please give me a break
- the 'tram' was crashing, with the textures in very low quality, the character would go forward but the tram would get stuck in the same place and then appear below his feet out of nowhere again.
Meanwhile the HD LED was on, but not continuously, it was on with a strong yellow color, like at maximum power, but it was blinking quickly because I could see the led oscillation between a maximum peak and a little below, actually reading files - trying - .
I also had problems loading scenery and texture in GTA 5 and TLOU, original Blu ray disc games.
In GTA 5 the scenery floor did not load, or the textures were like in the beta phase, very low, along with that the HD led was always on, at 'maximum power' but oscillating as it searched for files, until at some point the led went off and, if you continued playing, the system would lock and turn off only if you held the button for a few seconds; If the led was on intensely and suddenly went off, as before, and I tried to exit to the menu, the system also crashed and restarted.
already in TLOU the textures do not load on the faces of the characters but it did not crash the system; HD led on constantly.
These games that I had problems I tested both with the original HD and with the WD Black 500gb, and only with the WD did I get these problems, and when it was installed, the HD access led blinked much more than when with the original hd - in the same part of the scenery, or when loading the game.
Games like Portal 2, Uncharted 3 and some others, installed on the HDD via PKG or ISO, had problems loading the scenery.
Uncharted 3 for example, in a part right at the beginning when we come out of a well - I forgot the name or chapter - the scenery didn't load, the ground didn't load, it was transparent. I reloaded the game several times and it had the same problem, until one day the map loaded, but the textures were in very low resolution, as if the system couldn't load and process them.
Interestingly, the HDD access indicator led at these times almost always had direct access, as if it were in a heavy transfer operation, and in some cases the led went off and didn't light up anymore, if I kept playing with the game it crashed and, if I tried to exit the game, the system crashed and restarted automatically.
Portal 2 had the same problem. (installed via PKG)
In a certain chapter, where we are escaping in a kind of tram attached to a rope, like a zip line - I haven't played Portal for more than half a year, please give me a break
- the 'tram' was crashing, with the textures in very low quality, the character would go forward but the tram would get stuck in the same place and then appear below his feet out of nowhere again.Meanwhile the HD LED was on, but not continuously, it was on with a strong yellow color, like at maximum power, but it was blinking quickly because I could see the led oscillation between a maximum peak and a little below, actually reading files - trying - .
I also had problems loading scenery and texture in GTA 5 and TLOU, original Blu ray disc games.
In GTA 5 the scenery floor did not load, or the textures were like in the beta phase, very low, along with that the HD led was always on, at 'maximum power' but oscillating as it searched for files, until at some point the led went off and, if you continued playing, the system would lock and turn off only if you held the button for a few seconds; If the led was on intensely and suddenly went off, as before, and I tried to exit to the menu, the system also crashed and restarted.
already in TLOU the textures do not load on the faces of the characters but it did not crash the system; HD led on constantly.
These games that I had problems I tested both with the original HD and with the WD Black 500gb, and only with the WD did I get these problems, and when it was installed, the HD access led blinked much more than when with the original hd - in the same part of the scenery, or when loading the game.
For my tests I used a 128gb SSD Xraydisk, Chinese SSD.
this SSD is not new, before being installed in the PS3 it was used for almost three years in two different computers as a C disk to store Windows 10; for two years on a commercial notebook and about a year more on a home PC.
I found a bad block in a routine test so I replaced it, formatted it and the bad block was gone, just in case I filled it completely with various files, formatted it and no bad blocks.
during the HD tune bad block test, even in 'extreme' read operation, I got read speeds in excess of 320MB's, with DiskMark the SSD exceeded 450MB's.
It currently has less than 5TB of recording.
I found a bad block in a routine test so I replaced it, formatted it and the bad block was gone, just in case I filled it completely with various files, formatted it and no bad blocks.
during the HD tune bad block test, even in 'extreme' read operation, I got read speeds in excess of 320MB's, with DiskMark the SSD exceeded 450MB's.
It currently has less than 5TB of recording.
With this SSD I didn't install HEN, I just used my games on Bluray disk, I got better results than with WD black, but not as satisfactory.
Maps now load normally, both GTA 5 and Uncharted 3 - I got a copy on disk -, textures almost always loading correctly, but they take a while to render, it's not immediate, it's necessary to wait a few seconds watching for them to load in maximum quality.
In addition, I noticed that the LED on the HD blinks a lot, more than when I had the system's original HD, as if the PS3 was having more difficulty accessing the files on the SSD, maybe it needed to read more files.
I didn't get any improvement in loading speed, the only visible difference was the access led that worked more than with the original hd.
I think the PS3 has some incompatibility with SSD's and SATA 3 HD's because the problems I had with loading and access LED working more than normal was only with SATA 3 disks, I tested it with SATA 1 and SATA 2 HD's with the same backup and games on disk and I didn't have the problems highlighted.
Maps now load normally, both GTA 5 and Uncharted 3 - I got a copy on disk -, textures almost always loading correctly, but they take a while to render, it's not immediate, it's necessary to wait a few seconds watching for them to load in maximum quality.
In addition, I noticed that the LED on the HD blinks a lot, more than when I had the system's original HD, as if the PS3 was having more difficulty accessing the files on the SSD, maybe it needed to read more files.
I didn't get any improvement in loading speed, the only visible difference was the access led that worked more than with the original hd.
I think the PS3 has some incompatibility with SSD's and SATA 3 HD's because the problems I had with loading and access LED working more than normal was only with SATA 3 disks, I tested it with SATA 1 and SATA 2 HD's with the same backup and games on disk and I didn't have the problems highlighted.
Sorry for the long post, but I felt it necessary to describe everything for possible records or the like.
I upgraded my PS3 Slim 320GB HDD (I using old one for small/simple games) to Crucial MX500 1TB about six months ago. I would avoid cheap SSD without DRAM cache the cost difference is not that big. I have no issues so far, shorter loading time (but with some games almost no diference), faster install/uninstall and game exiting. I think after year usage i will check disk health on PC.
mimi
Member
Benefits of SSD, non existent seek times and you don't have to worry about fragmentation, speed is limited by PS3.
Iridule
Member
@mimi any idea why random "insert proper disk storage" error would show up? I can restart ps3 10 times and 1 out of 10 I will randomly get this error and the SSD is brand new. No way to reproduce it 100% and when restarted the error goes away. I tried to rebuild database/fiesystem and didn't fix the error.
mimi
Member
Possibly compatibility issue with old tech and new.
Iridule
Member
Strange Haven't seen any reports of others using SSD and this error, other than that it seems to work fine.
Iridule
Member
Is that error the only error you had... It seems to be harmless random and annoying. I wonder if having Dram would fix it?
ashura
Member
actually it was on the time that i tried to use that specific type of ssd, some time i used to install the ssd crucial bx500 and that one was properly installed but not working as i wanted to, but yep, the dram that the adata su650 has may be most probably one of the reasons of that error that actually was not random on that moment
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