PS3HEN Ps3 superslim temperature.

[Rugon]

Hi. I have a PS3 superslim (Chech 4204a) with latest hfw,hen and webman mod. The PS3 is never opened and have the stock thermal paste (the PS3 has over 7 years). I check the temp with syscon and manual at 27%, in idle and in game (1hour).

Syscon: idle CPU 62° RSX 62° 23% fan
In game CPU 62/63° RSX 67/68° 24% fan
When I come back to xmb the temp back again on 62 for CPU and RSX

With manual 27% fan: idle CPU 55°, RSX 55°
In game CPU 57°, RSX 61/62°
When I come back to xmb the temp return to 55° for CPU and RSX.
My room temp is 14/15° in this period.

Is a good temp or not? Thank you. Sorry in advance for eventually bad English.

 

[Sam2627]

Yes, the temps are totally fine

 

[sandungas]

Are exactly what you could expect from a healthy PS3 with 7 years
What we use to do to find if the thermal paste of one of them (CELL or RSX) is too much degraded is to start from ambient temperarture and stay in idle either in main XMB (or idle inside a homebrew with low workload) for more than 30 minutes, i guess this is what you did in your first test

The point is... we are using each other as a reference... what we are trying to find in this test is the difference of temperatures in between CELL and RSX... and a healthy PS3 should result in temperatures almost identical for CELL and RSX, this happens because the heat is transfered in between them through the motherboard (the GND layers of the motherboard mostly), and in some PS3 models also throught the big heatsink metal block
If one of the thermal pastes was degraded you should notice an small difference in this test, but thats not your case, your temperatures in idle are exact, this indicates that all thermal paste layers had the same degradation, thats good for an start

The second test ingame with a big workload should result in the RSX around 5ºC higher than CELL... if the difference is smaller it means the thermal paste on the CELL have a problem... and if the difference is bigger it means the thermal paste of the RSX have a problem
In extreme cases this difference of temperatures in between CELL and RSX reaches 10ºC or even 15ºC !!!!!
Your PS3 with the RSX 5ºC over CELL is another indication that all the thermal pastes are fine, in a PS3 with problems the temperatures would be a lot more out of control

Personally i consider 5ºC is perfect... 10ºC is something important enought to start worrying about it... and over 12ºC it reallly needs to be delidded, even if you never did a delid before, a PS3 with that kind of problem is not going to stay alive for much time

 

[Rugon]

Are exactly what you could expect from a healthy PS3 with 7 years
What we use to do to find if the thermal paste of one of them (CELL or RSX) is too much degraded is to start from ambient temperarture and stay in idle either in main XMB (or idle inside a homebrew with low workload) for more than 30 minutes, i guess this is what you did in your first test

The point is... we are using each other as a reference... what we are trying to find in this test is the difference of temperatures in between CELL and RSX... and a healthy PS3 should result in temperatures almost identical for CELL and RSX, this happens because the heat is transfered in between them through the motherboard (the GND layers of the motherboard mostly), and in some PS3 models also throught the big heatsink metal block
If one of the thermal pastes was degraded you should notice an small difference in this test, but thats not your case, your temperatures in idle are exact, this indicates that all thermal paste layers had the same degradation, thats good for an start

The second test ingame with a big workload should result in the RSX around 5ºC higher than CELL... if the difference is smaller it means the thermal paste on the CELL have a problem... and if the difference is bigger it means the thermal paste of the RSX have a problem
In extreme cases this difference of temperatures in between CELL and RSX reaches 10ºC or even 15ºC !!!!!
Your PS3 with the RSX 5ºC over CELL is another indication that all the thermal pastes are fine, in a PS3 with problems the temperatures would be a lot more out of control

Personally i consider 5ºC is perfect... 10ºC is something important enought to start worrying about it... and over 12ºC it reallly needs to be delidded, even if you never did a delid before, a PS3 with that kind of problem is not going to stay alive for much time

In your opinion how mutch time can be last the stock thermal paste ? you think it's better to change it now even if it is still good? Thank you very mutch.

 

[Rugon]

Are exactly what you could expect from a healthy PS3 with 7 years
What we use to do to find if the thermal paste of one of them (CELL or RSX) is too much degraded is to start from ambient temperarture and stay in idle either in main XMB (or idle inside a homebrew with low workload) for more than 30 minutes, i guess this is what you did in your first test

The point is... we are using each other as a reference... what we are trying to find in this test is the difference of temperatures in between CELL and RSX... and a healthy PS3 should result in temperatures almost identical for CELL and RSX, this happens because the heat is transfered in between them through the motherboard (the GND layers of the motherboard mostly), and in some PS3 models also throught the big heatsink metal block
If one of the thermal pastes was degraded you should notice an small difference in this test, but thats not your case, your temperatures in idle are exact, this indicates that all thermal paste layers had the same degradation, thats good for an start

The second test ingame with a big workload should result in the RSX around 5ºC higher than CELL... if the difference is smaller it means the thermal paste on the CELL have a problem... and if the difference is bigger it means the thermal paste of the RSX have a problem
In extreme cases this difference of temperatures in between CELL and RSX reaches 10ºC or even 15ºC !!!!!
Your PS3 with the RSX 5ºC over CELL is another indication that all the thermal pastes are fine, in a PS3 with problems the temperatures would be a lot more out of control

Personally i consider 5ºC is perfect... 10ºC is something important enought to start worrying about it... and over 12ºC it reallly needs to be delidded, even if you never did a delid before, a PS3 with that kind of problem is not going to stay alive for much time

A little update. I tested the console with uncharted 2 (probably the most intensive game I have) and the result is different that other game I have tested (black ops 2, Borderlands 1, F1 ecc.)
Syscon 25% fan CPU 68/69° RSX 69/70 with a peak at 71°. In the video scene of the game temperatures drop immediately at CPU 65° RSX 63° or less
Manual fan 27% CPU 62° RSX 64°. In the video scene the temp is CPU 60° RSX 62°.
I think is a good temp considering the game push the PS3 intensively and it only takes 2% more fan speed to significantly lower the temperature? Thank you very mutch

 

[sandungas]

A little update. I tested the console with uncharted 2 (probably the most intensive game I have) and the result is different that other game I have tested (black ops 2, Borderlands 1, F1 ecc.)
Syscon 25% fan CPU 68/69° RSX 69/70 with a peak at 71°. In the video scene of the game temperatures drop immediately at CPU 65° RSX 63° or less
Manual fan 27% CPU 62° RSX 64°. In the video scene the temp is CPU 60° RSX 62°.
I think is a good temp considering the game push the PS3 intensively and it only takes 2% more fan speed to significantly lower the temperature? Thank you very mutch

That temperature peaks is what matters for the second test, the difference of temperatures i mentioned at high workload between CELL and RSX needs to be meassured exactly when one of that peaks happens, and incase you are able to see several peaks take note of the higest

So... it seems in uncharted 2 you found differences of around 3ºC, thats fine too, when i said 5ºC is perfect i meant an small range around 5ºC... just because i consider there are many factors that could mislead us into small innacuracies of 1ºC or 2ºC... imo is completly normal, i always count with them
The only thing you can do is to repeat that kind of test many times to get an orientative idea of the temperature peaks
Anyway, your PS3 seems to be fine because a PS3 with thermal paste problems would have a lot higher diffrence (something over 10ºC or more), that huge difference would mean the temperatures of one of them are out of control, but your PS3 is controlling them fine so the thermal pastes have an aceptable degradation

In your opinion how mutch time can be last the stock thermal paste ? you think it's better to change it now even if it is still good? Thank you very mutch.

Im not sure but by now i would not worry much, to have a better diagnostic you need to ask someone with the exact same PS3 model CECH42xx than you and keep attention at the speeds
Your PS3 seems to have the heatsink well seated, the surfaces are flat, everything is well assembled, and all the thermal pastes seems that was well spreaded and have the same degradation
Thats fine, some of the factors i mentioned are a bit random so you was lucky in the PS3 lottery but the thermal pastes are causing a performance loss and we dont know how much performance has been lost in 7 years, the only way to know it is if you compare it with other PS3 like yours, either with the factory thermal pastes (this would be ideal) or from somoene that changed the thermal pastes recently (this would show you the posible performance improvement if you replace it)

 

[Rugon]

That temperature peaks is what matters for the second test, the difference of temperatures i mentioned at high workload between CELL and RSX needs to be meassured exactly when one of that peaks happens, and incase you are able to see several peaks take note of the higest

So... it seems in uncharted 2 you found differences of around 3ºC, thats fine too, when i said 5ºC is perfect i meant an small range around 5ºC... just because i consider there are many factors that could mislead us into small innacuracies of 1ºC or 2ºC... imo is completly normal, i always count with them
The only thing you can do is to repeat that kind of test many times to get an orientative idea of the temperature peaks
Anyway, your PS3 seems to be fine because a PS3 with thermal paste problems would have a lot higher diffrence (something over 10ºC or more), that huge difference would mean the temperatures of one of them are out of control, but your PS3 is controlling them fine so the thermal pastes have an aceptable degradation


Im not sure but by now i would not worry much, to have a better diagnostic you need to ask someone with the exact same PS3 model CECH42xx than you and keep attention at the speeds
Your PS3 seems to have the heatsink well seated, the surfaces are flat, everything is well assembled, and all the thermal pastes seems that was well spreaded and have the same degradation
Thats fine, some of the factors i mentioned are a bit random so you was lucky in the PS3 lottery but the thermal pastes are causing a performance loss and we dont know how much performance has been lost in 7 years, the only way to know it is if you compare it with other PS3 like yours, either with the factory thermal pastes (this would be ideal) or from somoene that changed the thermal pastes recently (this would show you the posible performance improvement if you replace it)

Thank you very mutch. Excellent explanation on everything.

 

[Rugon]

That temperature peaks is what matters for the second test, the difference of temperatures i mentioned at high workload between CELL and RSX needs to be meassured exactly when one of that peaks happens, and incase you are able to see several peaks take note of the higest

So... it seems in uncharted 2 you found differences of around 3ºC, thats fine too, when i said 5ºC is perfect i meant an small range around 5ºC... just because i consider there are many factors that could mislead us into small innacuracies of 1ºC or 2ºC... imo is completly normal, i always count with them
The only thing you can do is to repeat that kind of test many times to get an orientative idea of the temperature peaks
Anyway, your PS3 seems to be fine because a PS3 with thermal paste problems would have a lot higher diffrence (something over 10ºC or more), that huge difference would mean the temperatures of one of them are out of control, but your PS3 is controlling them fine so the thermal pastes have an aceptable degradation


Im not sure but by now i would not worry much, to have a better diagnostic you need to ask someone with the exact same PS3 model CECH42xx than you and keep attention at the speeds
Your PS3 seems to have the heatsink well seated, the surfaces are flat, everything is well assembled, and all the thermal pastes seems that was well spreaded and have the same degradation
Thats fine, some of the factors i mentioned are a bit random so you was lucky in the PS3 lottery but the thermal pastes are causing a performance loss and we dont know how much performance has been lost in 7 years, the only way to know it is if you compare it with other PS3 like yours, either with the factory thermal pastes (this would be ideal) or from somoene that changed the thermal pastes recently (this would show you the posible performance improvement if you replace it)

I have an ultimate answer. For a future change the syy 157 is a good paste for PS3? Do you have any suggestions on the best thermal paste for PS3?. Thank you very mutch again.

 

[sandungas]

I have an ultimate answer. For a future change the syy 157 is a good paste for PS3? Do you have any suggestions on the best thermal paste for PS3?. Thank you very mutch again.

I never heard about syy 157
In my oppinion the best non-conductive thermal pastes are thermal grizzly kryonaut, arctic cooling MX-5 or MX-4, in that order

 

[Rugon]

I never heard about syy 157
In my oppinion the best non-conductive thermal pastes are thermal grizzly kryonaut, arctic cooling MX-5 or MX-4, in that order

And a Gelid GC-extreme is a good choice? Thank you again

 

[sandungas]

And a Gelid GC-extreme is a good choice? Thank you again

Yeah it seems to have a good performance, i use to refer to a couple of reviews made in guru3d web
https://www.psx-place.com/threads/what-is-the-best-thermal-paste.34025/#post-295392

Page 12 of the first link... the Gelid GC-extreme is in 6th position

Btw, i suggested the MX-4 and MX-5 because if you go to a PC shop where you live most probably they have it, and the kryonaut too (is the kind of premiun product very popular for PC entusiasts)
But the other thermal pastes that appears in the first positions of that comparatives are fine, if you can find them easy locally or/and cheap are a good choice

 

[Rugon]

Yeah it seems to have a good performance, i use to refer to a couple of reviews made in guru3d web
https://www.psx-place.com/threads/what-is-the-best-thermal-paste.34025/#post-295392

Page 12 of the first link... the Gelid GC-extreme is in 6th position

Btw, i suggested the MX-4 and MX-5 because if you go to a PC shop where you live most probably they have it, and the kryonaut too (is the kind of premiun product very popular for PC entusiasts)
But the other thermal pastes that appears in the first positions of that comparatives are fine, if you can find them easy locally or/and cheap are a good choice

Unfortunately where I live there are no electronics stores they all closed but still had some terrible paste. I have different option in any case from Amazon and AliExpress (all original product)
From Amazon mx-4 (4gr): €5.49+2.70 delivery (without prime)
From AliExpress I have different option but in any case all original.
Thermalright tf4 (1gr): €4.12+1.84 delivery
Thermal grizzly kyronaut (1gr): €5.60+1.84 delivery
Gelid GC-extreme (1gr): €3.37+2.46 delivery
Gelid GC-extreme ( 2gr): €5.36+2.46 delivery
I just add that I am not interested in many grams of paste because then the syringe would probably stop and dry in the bedside table

 

[ElGris]

Unfortunately where I live there are no electronics stores they all closed but still had some terrible paste. I have different option in any case from Amazon and AliExpress (all original product)
From Amazon mx-4 (4gr): €5.49+2.70 delivery (without prime)
From AliExpress I have different option but in any case all original.
Thermalright tf4 (1gr): €4.12+1.84 delivery
Thermal grizzly kyronaut (1gr): €5.60+1.84 delivery
Gelid GC-extreme (1gr): €3.37+2.46 delivery
Gelid GC-extreme ( 2gr): €5.36+2.46 delivery

I made and little intel about that a few weeks ago. The clear winner here is GELID GC-EXTREME, quality/price, and I use MX-4 always, but this GELID it's gonna be my next purchase. The question would be, it will last more or less than the MX-4?

Btw, in my eyes, that PS3 will overheat on summer, your in-airflow it's cold so the combo should be freezing and I see them higher than expected. Remember, after cleaning the old paste, polish both heatsinks and IHS with Iso. alcochol and a piece of toilet paper, until you see them shinny.

 

[Rugon]

I made and little intel about that a few weeks ago. The clear winner here is GELID GC-EXTREME, quality/price, and I use MX-4 always, but this GELID it's gonna be my next purchase. The question would be, it will last more or less than the MX-4?

Btw, in my eyes, that PS3 will overheat on summer, your in-airflow it's cold so the combo should be freezing and I see them higher than expected. Remember, after cleaning the old paste, polish both heatsinks and IHS with Iso. alcochol and a piece of toilet paper, until you see them shinny.

A little update of the temp. My room increase temp of 1 or 2° (Celsius) and the PS3 temp is like the same of original post maybe with a little increase of 1°. Onestly I'm interesting to see when it's summer how temp PS3 make. In any case in a little time I order good thermal paste in case of thermal problem of PS3. For the moment it's like very well temp for an old 7 years stock thermal paste.

 

[sandungas]

A little update of the temp. My room increase temp of 1 or 2° (Celsius) and the PS3 temp is like the same of original post maybe with a little increase of 1°. Onestly I'm interesting to see when it's summer how temp PS3 make. In any case in a little time I order good thermal paste in case of thermal problem of PS3. For the moment it's like very well temp for an old 7 years stock thermal paste.

I never made a serious tests about it but i think the ambient temperature doesnt translates directly into higher PS3 temperature, lets say... the difference in between winter and summer could be higher than 20ºC, but the PS3 is not going to be 20ºC higher in summer... i guess is just a fraction of it

Just to throw some numbers...
Winter, ambient=12ºC, PS3=60ºC
Summer, ambient 32ºC, PS3=70ºC

In this example ambient increased in +20ºC but the PS3 only increased in +10ºC
As said... im not completly sure if what im saying is correct (and if is correct i dont know if there is some math formula to calculate it), but i think is something like that, if someone knows about it either because made some tests, or because there is some google info explaining it please tell, im curious about it

 

[Rugon]

I never made a serious tests about it but i think the ambient temperature doesnt translates directly into higher PS3 temperature, lets say... the difference in between winter and summer could be higher than 20ºC, but the PS3 is not going to be 20ºC higher in summer... i guess is just a fraction of it

Just to throw some numbers...
Winter, ambient=12ºC, PS3=60ºC
Summer, ambient 32ºC, PS3=70ºC

In this example ambient increased in +20ºC but the PS3 only increased in +10ºC
As said... im not completly sure if what im saying is correct (and if is correct i dont know if there is some math formula to calculate it), but i think is something like that, if someone knows about it either because made some tests, or because there is some google info explaining it please tell, im curious about it

And about thermal paste... Which would you take from the choices above? Thank you.

 

[sandungas]

And about thermal paste... Which would you take from the choices above? Thank you.

Hmmm, the kryonaut, i agree that probably the Gelid GC-extreme is the best choice quality/price (specially if you use it frequently and you are going to buy a big syringe with 2gr or more)

But the premiun price of the kryonaut are just a couple of coins of difference, it represents the price of a pizza portion but instead of eating it in 5 minutes you are going to use it for the next years while playing the PS3

 

[Rugon]

Hmmm, the kryonaut, i agree that probably the Gelid GC-extreme is the best choice quality/price (specially if you use it frequently and you are going to buy a big syringe with 2gr or more)

But the premiun price of the kryonaut are just a couple of coins of difference, it represents the price of a pizza portion but instead of eating it in 5 minutes you are going to use it for the next years while playing the PS3

Ok. Thank you very mutch for all. For sure every thermal paste mentioned is best than the stock of Sony

 

[Rugon]

Hmmm, the kryonaut, i agree that probably the Gelid GC-extreme is the best choice quality/price (specially if you use it frequently and you are going to buy a big syringe with 2gr or more)

But the premiun price of the kryonaut are just a couple of coins of difference, it represents the price of a pizza portion but instead of eating it in 5 minutes you are going to use it for the next years while playing the PS3

I think I found the best thermal paste (obviously for my purpose) the Maxtor ctg8 (a rebranded of thermalright tf7 a high level thermal paste ,carbon base if I not wrong, at 12.8 W/m*k) at €4.32 and free delivery for 1gr (shipped directly from Maxtor on AliExpress) and it's last 5 or more years of use. There would also be the Maxtor ctg9 (a rebranded of fuzelce plus) but the cost is very high for gram €6.66+4.03 of delivery.

 

[ElGris]

I never made a serious tests about it but i think the ambient temperature doesnt translates directly into higher PS3 temperature, lets say... the difference in between winter and summer could be higher than 20ºC, but the PS3 is not going to be 20ºC higher in summer... i guess is just a fraction of it

Just to throw some numbers...
Winter, ambient=12ºC, PS3=60ºC
Summer, ambient 32ºC, PS3=70ºC

In this example ambient increased in +20ºC but the PS3 only increased in +10ºC
As said... im not completly sure if what im saying is correct (and if is correct i dont know if there is some math formula to calculate it), but i think is something like that, if someone knows about it either because made some tests, or because there is some google info explaining it please tell, im curious about it

You know, that got me thinking, so I made some tests in a couple of sessions, to see how this works. And actually I found something interesting.

0) SS MPX 45nm CELL/40nm RSX
1) SS REX A 45nm CELL/28nm RSX
2) Slim 2001 A 45nm CELL/65nm RSX
3) Slim 2001 B
5) SS REX B

Session 1º ; Ambient temperature: 24ºC (using two termocouples)

SYSCON IDLE
0) 60/62 at 26% SS MPX 45nm CELL/40nm RSX
1) 68/65 at 24% SS REX A 45nm CELL/28nm RSX
5) 68/67 at 24% SS REX B

MANUAL 35% IDLE
0) 52/51 SS MPX 45nm CELL/40nm RSX
1) 52/53 SS REX A 45nm CELL/28nm RSX
5) 54/54 SS REX B

On this session the clear winner is the MPX but it's strange because it has a bigger RSX. On the CELL side it has a bigger IHS, so that could explain it. Something unexplainable is why both processors on the REX go so up comparing them to the MPXs, while on manual things tend to equal. The whole heatsinks on lastest SS really suck? At least we know that in someway the 40nm RSX is cooler than the 28nm on this console, just perfect for being a fattie donnor.

Session 2º; Ambient temperature 16ºC (using two termocouples). It actually went later to 18ºC just because I had 5 consoles warming the room lol.

SYSCON IDLE
0) 57/59 at 25% SS MPX 45nm CELL/40nm RSX
1) 67/66 at 24% SS REX A 45nm CELL/28nm RSX
2) 60/68 at 28% Slim 2001 A 45nm CELL/65nm RSX
3) 58/64 at 28% Slim 2001 B
5) 65/64 at 24% SS REX B

MANUAL 35% IDLE
0) 44/45 SS MPX 45nm CELL/40nm RSX
1) 46/48 SS REX A 45nm CELL/28nm RSX
2) 54/59 Slim 2001 A 45nm CELL/65nm RSX
3) 52/56 Slim 2001 B
5) 47/48 SS REX B

In this case, ambient temperature is lower, and the internal temperature is also lower, but no directly proportional, but yes, is something that everyone should take in mind.
Talking about slims, nothing new, they are warmer and have a poor RSX cooling. I have to put them on 45% manual to be good to run heavy games. These are not delidded.

Also I remember that @DoublesAdvocate delidded a REX's cell. What do you think about this one being hotter than the ones on MPX/MSX?