PS3 4.81 FERROX COBRA (7.3) CFW by Alexander [UPDATED v1.01+ Released]

pinky · Nov 30, 2016

kiwon445 said:
Well its alot of work compared to what i had to do on Rebug which made it much easier. Im a noob so all these codes & files you have to find are so brand new to me, but on a further note ive updated to Ferrox Cobra 4.81 & everything you've said was spot on. Although i noticed instantly as soon as i updated my ps3 fan got louder while on Rebug it was as quiet as a mouse. Can you please tell me why this is happening and how to reduce the noise back to the way it was?!

Edit: Sorry as soon as i installed webMAN 1.45 Full Edition this started happening to my fan. Can you please tell me how to reduce this noise? I wont turn on my ps3 again until i know

u may have temp thresholds enabled. personally, u should leave it somewhat low to cool the system. it will be loud, but that's better than a broken system. my temps r 60 degrees C or 140 degrees F. that's what u should have it as with a 360, so I put that on my ps3 as well. I've never had issues with the noise or a console failing due to that.

kiwon445 · Nov 30, 2016

pinky said:
u may have temp thresholds enabled. personally, u should leave it somewhat low to cool the system. it will be loud, but that's better than a broken system. my temps r 60 degrees C or 140 degrees F. that's what u should have it as with a 360, so I put that on my ps3 as well. I've never had issues with the noise or a console failing due to that.

I dont know what my temperature is or how to change it. Can you tell me how to change it? And what is temp threshold? I use to use Control Fan Utility but now when i load it, it becomes a black screen! And i do not think it is loud because its cooling down. My room right now is around 40 to 50 degrees at best & im freezing & for my ps3 to go from quiet to noisy worries me. How can i undo this?

pinky · Nov 30, 2016

kiwon445 said:
I dont know what my temperature is or how to change it. Can you tell me how to change it? And what is temp threshold? I use to use Control Fan Utility but now when i load it, it becomes a black screen! And i do not think it is loud because its cooling down. My room right now is around 40 to 50 degrees at best & im freezing & for my ps3 to go from quiet to noisy worries me. How can i undo this?

u'll see the temperature setting in webman mod's settings. I forgot how it puts it, but it will be obvious. temp threshold is the hottest ur console will get. the fans will go from quiet to loud in order to prevent the console from getting beyond that marker. it's best to have them.

kiwon445 · Nov 30, 2016

pinky said:
u'll see the temperature setting in webman mod's settings. I forgot how it puts it, but it will be obvious. temp threshold is the hottest ur console will get. the fans will go from quiet to loud in order to prevent the console from getting beyond that marker. it's best to have them.

how do i find & disable this temp threshold? my room is freezing so there is no reason for my ps3 to be wanting to cool down. I need this off please help me!

pinky · Nov 30, 2016

uncheck the box involving temperature. it's not so much the room, but the system that's hot. it depends on the size of chip u have in ur system. the 360 has about the same temp thresholds for all systems and chips which is not good. the ps3 may be the same.

kiwon445 · Nov 30, 2016

pinky said:
uncheck the box involving temperature. it's not so much the room, but the system that's hot. it depends on the size of chip u have in ur system. the 360 has about the same temp thresholds for all systems and chips which is not good. the ps3 may be the same.

where is the box located? My ps3 was doing fine until i installed webman 1.45 update

DeViL303 · Nov 30, 2016

kiwon445 said:
where is the box located? My ps3 was doing fine until i installed webman 1.45 update

Like pinky said, its in webman settings. What temp was your PS3 running at before you updated to 1.45?

bguerville · Nov 30, 2016

kiwon445 said:
where is the box located? My ps3 was doing fine until i installed webman 1.45 update

kiwon445 said:
Well its alot of work compared to what i had to do on Rebug which made it much easier. Im a noob so all these codes & files you have to find are so brand new to me, but on a further note ive updated to Ferrox Cobra 4.81 & everything you've said was spot on. Although i noticed instantly as soon as i updated my ps3 fan got louder while on Rebug it was as quiet as a mouse. Can you please tell me why this is happening and how to reduce the noise back to the way it was?!

Edit: Sorry as soon as i installed webMAN 1.45 Full Edition this started happening to my fan. Can you please tell me how to reduce this noise? I wont turn on my ps3 again until i know

If your ps3 was quiet as a mouse it means the fan was not running real fast & the temperature will have been much higher than it is now. Maybe it was in manual settings & never kicked in... Being quiet does not mean being efficient....

Anyway, ps3 temperatures should be kept below 68C at all times. webMAN-MOD gives ps3 users the possibility to use dynamic fan control which is a blessing.

You should open the webMAN-MOD setup page, scroll down until you find an option called "Enable Dynamic Fan Control", check this box.
Then choose the option "Auto at:" & in the textbox, type 65.
You should also check the "Lowest:" checkbox & type 30 in the textbox.
Finally just under this, there is a PS2 Emulator
checkbox, type 37.
Don't touch any other temperature settings.
Go down the setup page. Press the save button. Reboot.
It may take a few minutes after reboot for the fan to settle down if the console got too hot previously because of bad settings so be patient.

If the console is too noisy, you could increase the 65 value to 68 max. That value should be set between 60 & 68, according to the noise.

You should be grateful for dynamic control & if you had less noise before you should know that it means your console was running much hotter which was not good at all & it leads to ylod & other issues..

kiwon445 · Nov 30, 2016

bguerville said:
If your ps3 was quiet as a mouse it means the fan was not running real fast & the temperature will have been much higher than it is now. Maybe it was in manual settings & never kicked in... Being quiet does not mean being efficient....

Anyway, ps3 temperatures should be kept below 68C at all times. webMAN-MOD gives ps3 users the possibility to use dynamic fan control which is a blessing.

You should open the webMAN-MOD setup page, scroll down until you find an option called "Enable Dynamic Fan Control", check this box.
Then choose the option "Auto at:" & in the textbox, type 65.
You should also check the "Lowest:" checkbox & type 30 in the textbox.
Finally just under this, there is a PS2 Emulator
checkbox, type 37.
Don't touch any other temperature settings.
Go down the setup page. Press the save button. Reboot.
It may take a few minutes after reboot for the fan to settle down if the console got too hot previously because of bad settings so be patient.

If the console is too noisy, you could increase the 65 value to 68 max. That value should be set between 60 & 68, according to the noise.

You should be grateful for dynamic control & if you had less noise before you should know that it means your console was running much hotter which was not good at all & it leads to ylod & other issues..

i didnt know what my temperature was before i installed webman. I know that on 4.80 when i used Control Fan Utility that it would remain around 55C, but now that i have checked what the temperature inwebman setup is the Dynamic control option is auto clicked, the auto temperature at 68C & the lowest it says it can get is 25C. Ive changed the auto temperature to 55, saved & rebooted, & the fan would still yell. Ive changed it to 70C, saved, & rebooted & it still yelled. It wasnt a sudden noise at load up, but the ps3 would just gradually get louder & louder like every 6 seconds until it was blasting. Also a note about this, when the ps3 rebooted the temperature in webman setup was saved, but when i scroll down the webman menu & click an toggle that says "[PS3] Temperature" it shows that the "CPU Temperature" "(which i assume is your ps3) remained on 68C. So i just went into dev_hdd0/ & deleted the boot_plugins.txt file (which contained webman & vsh load up codes in it) & rebooted. Turns out my ps3 went back to normal. What ever is in that webman update doesnt hold well for fat CECH PS3

Are there any other apps that allows me to load PS2/1/P games?

DeViL303 · Nov 30, 2016

kiwon445 said:
i didnt know what my temperature was before i installed webman. I know that on 4.80 when i used Control Fan Utility that it would remain around 55C, but now that i have checked what the temperature inwebman setup is the Dynamic control option is auto clicked, the auto temperature at 68C & the lowest it says it can get is 25C. Ive changed the auto temperature to 55, saved & rebooted, & the fan would still yell. Ive changed it to 70C, saved, & rebooted & it still yelled. It wasnt a sudden noise at load up, but the ps3 would just gradually get louder & louder like every 6 seconds until it was blasting. Also a note about this, when the ps3 rebooted the temperature in webman setup was saved, but when i scroll down the webman menu & click an toggle that says "[PS3] Temperature" it shows that the "CPU Temperature" "(which i assume is your ps3) remained on 68C. So i just went into dev_hdd0/ & deleted the boot_plugins.txt file (which contained webman & vsh load up codes in it) & rebooted. Turns out my ps3 went back to normal. What ever is in that webman update doesnt hold well for fat CECH PS3 Are there any other apps that allows me to load PS2/1/P games?

The reason your fan is quieter without webman running is because your PS3 is running hotter. WebMAN is working correctly when its running. Maybe your PS3 needs the thermal paste redoing.

If you want to give it a proper test, you should start with a cold PS3 , set a temp you are happy with, lets say 68C, then let WebMAN do its thing. If you are changing the temp on a hot PS3 and then rebooting it is going to make the fan go fast until it gets below your set temp and that is why you cant understand how it works. If your fan is still too loud then set the temperature higher, if you find you are setting the temp really high to get the fan to quieten down then you know that you have a problem with your ps3.

kozarovv · Nov 30, 2016

kiwon445 said:
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Set auto to 69c and minimum to 34 % and try is ok.

bguerville · Nov 30, 2016

kiwon445 said:
i didnt know what my temperature was before i installed webman. I know that on 4.80 when i used Control Fan Utility that it would remain around 55C, but now that i have checked what the temperature inwebman setup is the Dynamic control option is auto clicked, the auto temperature at 68C & the lowest it says it can get is 25C. Ive changed the auto temperature to 55, saved & rebooted, & the fan would still yell. Ive changed it to 70C, saved, & rebooted & it still yelled. It wasnt a sudden noise at load up, but the ps3 would just gradually get louder & louder like every 6 seconds until it was blasting. Also a note about this, when the ps3 rebooted the temperature in webman setup was saved, but when i scroll down the webman menu & click an toggle that says "[PS3] Temperature" it shows that the "CPU Temperature" "(which i assume is your ps3) remained on 68C. So i just went into dev_hdd0/ & deleted the boot_plugins.txt file (which contained webman & vsh load up codes in it) & rebooted. Turns out my ps3 went back to normal. What ever is in that webman update doesnt hold well for fat CECH PS3 Are there any other apps that allows me to load PS2/1/P games?

Nothing to do with wMM problem imho. You are not the only user with this model but so far you are the only one to report a problem.....
For information, wMM is used by many especially because of the dynamic fan control. It's one of the reason why the control fan utility is rarely used anymore.
With wMM dynamic fan control, when the fan keeps going up & up every few seconds, it means the current temp is higher than the one setup in in wMM & it is trying to keep up in order to keep the set temperature. That's the principle of dynamic control. It generally takes a few minutes for the system to cool down & the fan to slow down.
If you use no fan for a while then enable dynamic fan control of course it will make a racket as it finds a system well over 70C.... It increases the fan until the temp goes under 70C then every few seconds it will slow down a tiny bit more...
If you stop wMM of course you will have less noise as the ps3 uses original syscon settings & the temp runs higher than 70C.
Up to you of you don't want noise but prefer the ps3 temp to run super high.
Anyway if you had looked properly at the setup page of wMM, you would have seen that there is also a manual setting to keep the fan running at the speed you choose all the time.
There is also a syscon setting that would do exactly the same as removing webMAN-MOD.
You don't need to remove wMM, just use the syscon setting & your fan will be silent... And your temp really high..

Of course you can use Irisman for your other games. Irisman includes a temp utility as well, just like the one you used to have on 4.80 but integrated in Irisman.

Temperatures are not the only indication we need to know if you have a problem. We would need to know at what speed the fan is running in order to maintain 68C in dynamic control.
Do the tests & report if you need more help.

kiwon445 · Nov 30, 2016

The reason why i dont want the fan to go haywire is i dont want the fan wearing out to cool down a ps3 when i have it in a cool room to keep it cool. And i dont want it to work so hard when i havent even played a game yet. I expect the fan to speed up when im on Grand Theft Auto, not on the XMB menu so it worries me to see it so loud when it was fine prior, but i think i understand how the dynamic fan works now that ya'll explain it. I re added the boot_plugins.txt file in dev_hdd0 & turned Syscon on & everything worked as you said. I'd rather have my ps3 like this instead of it forcefully trying to cool itself. Other than that everything else is working fine.

bguerville · Nov 30, 2016

kiwon445 said:
The reason why i dont want the fan to go haywire is i dont want the fan wearing out to cool down a ps3 when i have it in a cool room to keep it cool. And i dont want it to work so hard when i havent even played a game yet. I expect the fan to speed up when im on Grand Theft Auto, not on the XMB menu so it worries me to see it so loud when it was fine prior, but i think i understand how the dynamic fan works now that ya'll explain it. I re added the boot_plugins.txt file in dev_hdd0 & turned Syscon on & everything worked as you said. I'd rather have my ps3 like this instead of it forcefully trying to cool itself. Other than that everything else is working fine.

Good. Am happy you got it sorted as you wished. [emoji6]
Of course you don't want huge noise, who does? However, when trying to keep the CPU at 70C, the fan should not be noisy. If it is, there is a problem somehow & that would worry me greatly actually if I were you.
You should find out whether or not by staying on syscon fan setting, you are not actually ignoring a more serious hardware problem or simply that your fan is dying hence the noise when it runs.... It will take half an hour for you to get at least some answers.

I recommend that you test this again.
Use dynamic control at 70C & minimum fan at 30%.
Do 2 tests:

1. Leave the xmb idle for 10mn then test.
2. Launch a demanding high res game & play for 10/15mn (not less). Then test.

As test, check both the CPU temp & the RSX temp by using the temp info combo or the PS3 browser hxxp://localhost/cpursx.ps3 and very important, take note of the fan percentage in both situations.
You can also test from another device on the LAN like your smartphone, open a browser & type hxxp://ps3-local-ip-address/cpursx.ps3 for the address. The local address usually uses this format 192.168.x.xxx.

Report these results to us & we will get a better idea of the problem if there is one.

To stay under 70C, the fan should not need to run at more than 40-42%. The fans on my 2 current consoles run under 40% to stay under 68C. If yours runs faster than 42%, depending on the value there is probably something wrong.

FYI, people started using dynamic fan control because of the high number of ylod consoles. Look at ebay, they sell for 10 bucks or less due to the number of them..,
Some noise is a drawback but consoles can last decades without maintenance this way as long as they're not enclosed in a cabinet & well kept.

pinky · Nov 30, 2016

a lot of the heat with a console is due to the nm of the chips being used. smaller chips generally produce less heat. that's what's upgraded a lot with new sku models. not all of them r chip upgrades, but u can check the size of the chips in ur console on psdevwiki . not sure if it's like this with any ps3 model, but the 360 eventually upgraded to a single chip for both the cpu/gpu. that's like the latest or around the latest model for that system. that's how small they (the chips) can become while still producing the necessary power.

bguerville · Nov 30, 2016

@pinky
Look at this table
http://www.psdevwiki.com/ps3/SKU_Models
The first fat CECHA to CECHE used 90nm for both CPU & GPU.
Progressively by the time we got to the last ps3 compatible with CFW i.e slim CECH250x, the size had gone down to 45nm for the CPU & 40nm for the GPU.
It's not changed since then though, the superslim are still using the same size & the chips were never integrated like on the xbox.
So far, the integration of CPU & GPU in the same chip has never been very performant, look at the Intel or AMD chips for instance despite having bought the GPU manufacturers.
Only crappy laptops use just Intel or AMD for both & all performance or gaming computers use separate chips....

In terms of heat though, of course smaller chips means less heat but it's not the only factor. Consider the size of the casing, the airflow in it, the type of heatsink & fan, the rest of the hardware..... Practically speaking, the slims don't produce half the heat from a fat like size changes may suggest! In practice, TBH, I don't see much difference as long as the console is kept in good condition in a good environment, it does not overheat, fat or slim.
And a very noisy fan to keep the console at 70C is not right, one way or another. It could be something small or big but there's something...

pinky · Nov 30, 2016

not sure of the size of the integrated chip on the 360, but I know they got small enough to where making one chip was doable. that would be one the slim. I believe the last motherboard is named winchester, so that's probably the xbox slim with the integrated chip. I've never owned a slim 360 or taken one apart. I've done that with phats only. I do have a ps3 first gen slim, but I've never taken that apart since I haven't had a reason to up-to-this-point. the fan can get somewhat noisy at 60 degrees C, but it's comparable my falcon motherboard 360 phat which is also using 60 degrees C. one of the engineering flaws with the phat 360's is that the chips r boxed in by the dvd drive. they do use heatsinks, a plastic fan tunnel, and dual fans, but the fan tunnel is only needed due to the distance of the chips from the fans. whisper fans r supposed to be better. I installed a pair on a xenon motherboard 360 before jtag existed, but the system failed. I still own the system. I had a clear chasis case over it along with a clear dvd drive section where the magnet of the dvd drive would be as it spun. it was a good system while it lasted, but xenon is the earliest motherboard 360 (no hdmi), so it was kinda destined to fail at some point.

self_slaughter · Nov 30, 2016

I have to disable webmans dynamic fan control on my CECHL as it goes Haywire.

Nothing worse then having to go into recovery or something and hear the fan jump to 100% at 3am.

Can kinda tweak the values to be semi usable / audible (takes a lot of extra noise to save ~5'C), but its just not worth the hassle on my machine.

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bguerville · Nov 30, 2016

I was under the impression that the issue with this model was the fan going haywire at boot. In the past couple of years that's the only reports I read. I know it can't be fixed & a workaround can be used.
I had no idea it did that at random & went haywire all the time...
That's news to me...

@aldostools
Is this really another problem that happens only with CECHL? Basically users cannot use webMAN-MOD for dynamic fan control & must remain in syscon? If it's true, it's a good thing you recently added the option! Lol
@kiwon445 mentioned that he had it working fine with the Control Fan Utility but maybe he had set it to syscon too? He didn't explain what kind of settings he used...

self_slaughter · Nov 30, 2016

Yeah at certain boots it will go to 100% fan until webman loads.

Really annoying in the early hours, even if it only does it for maybe 5 seconds at a time.

Recovery mode is constant 100% if you need to reflash. Just turn the ps3 off and try fix it in the morning when that happens.

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