Do PS3s not like those SSD/HDD Hybrid Drives?

[ReddMcKnight]

It just seems like the XMB is slower when I switched to one, and Mega Man X6 (which is a PS1 Classic in Japan) skips/lags on video and audio when I load it as a Disc Image (BIN and CUE) through Webman. I don't think it's my image(s), as I tried two of them, so I'm betting it's this Hard Drive. That said, does the PS3 not go well with these?

 

[Berion]

If You have in mind SHDD, no, it's the same as HDD and SSD. Some disks often parking head (I don't know how to describe it in English) or even put HDD to sleep after some timeout. Maybe this is Your problem (unfixable BTW, or maybe hdparm making permanent setup but I strongly recommending not to touch it until You know for sure).

Did You test another internal storage? It is hard to judge based only on one device.

 

[bitsbubba]

just a normal 5400 rpm HDD is suffice for the PS3, studies showed there's not much if any difference in speed HDD or SSD due to design of PS3

 

[umart666]

biggest speedup for backups i've experienced is switching to external ntfs drive.it would be interesting to see BD vs external nftfs.

 

[bitsbubba]

biggest speedup for backups i've experienced is switching to external ntfs drive.it would be interesting to see BD vs external nftfs.

I use external fat32 split iso for my backups and haven't seen any difference in speed whatsoever

 

[DeViL303]

I use external fat32 split iso for my backups and haven't seen any difference in speed whatsoever

He might have just noticed the difference as it was ISO on external (file system maybe not an issue). I think running ISO on internal can be slower (for at least some games) due to game data reading at the same time, and folder rips can be slow on both internal and external due to lots of small files.

 

[DeViL303]

just a normal 5400 rpm HDD is suffice for the PS3, studies showed there's not much if any difference in speed HDD or SSD due to design of PS3

@0_obeWAN has a SSHD, when he made some videos for me before, and it was very noticeable the difference in speed in copying files in the XMBM installer and installing pkgs, I don't know how it performs for loading games.

Of course some drives might not be compatible, but it seems he has one that works ok, and is faster for at least some operations. maybe he can tell us more?

 

[bitsbubba]

@0_obeWAN has a SSHD, when he made some videos for me before, and it was very noticeable the difference in speed in copying files in the XMBM installer and installing pkgs, I don't know how it performs for loading games.

Of course some drives might not be compatible, but it seems he has one that works ok, and is faster for at least some operations. maybe he can tell us more?

you the studies were from when ssd first emerged and on ofw but game wise I don't think it matters much if anything maybe a second or 2

 

[complexusername]

PS3 uses the oldest SATA standard that is not in use anymore (your computer most likely uses SATA2 or SATA3 unless you're on PSX-Place with a potato) so it's not worth the extra money for a faster drive. PS4 uses SATA2 and PS4 Pro uses SATA3.

FYI: There are also hard drive size limitations mentioned on the forum. From what I remember @bguerville mentioning, it's best to have a 1.5TB or smaller drive installed internally.

 

[DeViL303]

you the studies were from when ssd first emerged and on ofw but game wise I don't think it matters much if anything maybe a second or 2

Yes its possible it is limited to the BD speed anyway to avoid read errors or something like that. On the other hand, maybe the early SSDs were not as good as emulating a normal HDD, and also its possible that with ISOs they would work better, those tests were most likely before ISOs?. A game like GTA V that drops textures when driving at high speed (off internal hdd) might be good for some up to date tests. A compatibility list would be good too if SSHDs/SSDs are quicker.

Another thought I had, SSHDs/SSDs might effect NANDS and NORs differently, as there is a virtual flash partition on the HDD in NORs, and SSHDs are meant to put files accessed most often onto the flash partition in the SSHD, at least I think that's how they work, well in that case those and SSDs might help with XMB loading times and other FW related reads if it works as it should.

Off topic: Also would love to know if there are really some 2TB standard drives that work internally, I have read it but never seen it confirmed properly, maybe its just a myth.

 

[bitsbubba]

PS3 uses the oldest SATA standard that is not in use anymore (your computer most likely uses SATA2 or SATA3 unless you're on PSX-Place with a potato) so it's not worth the extra money for a faster drive. PS4 uses SATA2 and PS4 Pro uses SATA3.

FYI: There are also hard drive size limitations mentioned on the forum. From what I remember @bguerville mentioning, it's best to have a 1.5TB or smaller drive installed internally.

some 1.5tb have been reported working but mostly 1tb was the limit

 

[complexusername]

Off topic: Also would love to know if there are really some 2TB standard drives that work internally, I have read it but never seen it confirmed properly, maybe its just a myth.

I need to get a 2TB drive for my PS4 Pro. I can try it on my two PS3's to see if they will accept it or see any weird issues. Any good ideas on how to test it?

 

[DeViL303]

I need to get a 2TB drive for my PS4 Pro. I can try it on my two PS3's to see if they will accept it or see any weird issues. Any good ideas on how to test it?

Just see if it recognises it. I have tried some before including a firecuda 2TB SSHD and they have not worked, so it could just be certain models if any at all..

 

[complexusername]

Just see if it recognises it. I have tried some before including a firecuda 2TB SSHD and they have not worked, so it could just be certain models if any at all..

That was the exact drive i've been wanting to purchase so there goes that test!

I have a spare 120gb SSD laying around. I can try it on the two PS3's and see what difference it makes for raw transfer speeds or game loading.

 

[pinky]

there was a series of tests conducted on psdevwiki. iirc, most drives over 1TB either didn't work or showed the wrong amount of free space. I'd suggest just popping that drive into an enclosure and using it as an external.

what's ironic is that 2TBs works with the 360. it has always worked, in fact, even with the deliberate restrictions by Microsoft. originally, you could only use 120GBs (max), but that has increased over time. however, with a jtag/rgh, you've always been able to use a 2TB drive. I'm sure Sony have deliberately restricted the ps3. I know the reason Microsoft would - selling a glorified slim hdd in a hard drive shell for triple the price of the actual hdd. however, with the ps3, there's no reason to restrict the consumer since you can, in theory, use any laptop hdd. hmm...

 

[bguerville]

That was the exact drive i've been wanting to purchase so there goes that test!

I have a spare 120gb SSD laying around. I can try it on the two PS3's and see what difference it makes for raw transfer speeds or game loading.

It makes a big difference for certain things, scanning disk or read sequences are much faster on SSD but in my own experience it's not worth it because some features start misbehaving. I tried 3 different SSD on 2 consoles with a similar outcome. I had things ranging from the file system check that stopped working to certain sequences like reboots that wouldn't operate right etc... I kept using them for a few months but in the end, I gave up & I put a good old 1Tb 7200 in both my slims.

 

[y0urh34d]

I know that if you use PS2 or PS1 backup discs with a sshd, it will show up as a data disc and you just can't play it. However with a normal HDD, this issue never pops up. So at least my ps3 isn't liking a sshd in regards to backup discs.

Also as for the biggest HDD internally in the PS3, 1.75tb is the biggest (I had to use 4.53 cfw to format the hdd as 4.7? onwards Sony deliberately limits the PS3 to 1.5tb). I tried 2tb hdd on 4.53 fw but the system wouldn't boot the xmb and just hang as it starts up.

 

[bguerville]

The problem is MBR vs GPT.
The ps3 only supports mbr disks so mbr specs sets the size limitation for the disk.
It's been discussed many times in this forum.

 

[self_slaughter]

Mentioned this a few times but SSHD has been semi problematic for me and preferred my 1tb 7200rpm HDD for consistency and reliability.

1.5Tb drive formatted and worked fine until you have a bad shutdown and run the file system check at which point it fails almost immediately and forces a format.

All tests on NOR consoles as I killed my NAND far too young. :'(

 

[umart666]

He might have just noticed the difference as it was ISO on external (file system maybe not an issue). I think running ISO on internal can be slower (for at least some games) due to game data reading at the same time, and folder rips can be slow on both internal and external due to lots of small files.

yes,i've never used external fat32 drives so can't comment on those,always used internal hdd until recently when i made switch to external ntfs and speedup in loading is very much noticeable (gtaV,last of us,wolfenstein,and other big games),it would be interesting to see blueray drive vs efternal drive in speed.mine is capped at usb2 or about 30mb/s,i don't know if ps3 can go that far.do anyone knows max speed of a ps3 blueray drive?