Is it easier to delid the RSX or CELL on the 60gb fats?

[chrisp099]

Has anyone tired to modify a CPU delid tool and use it on the ps3?

 

[SeanRanklin]

Dont use superglue, if at some point you want to replace the thermal paste again the superglue is going to be a huge annoyance
In my oppinion is way better to stick the IHS to the RSX with silicone, i took your photo to show you where to add the silicone
This silicone doesnt needs to be a very special type btw... the only requirement is it needs to resist the heat up to 100ºC or so

As mentioned before this is optional because the pressure of the heatsink can hold the IHS in place... but personally i like it because the OCD

*The same can be made with the CELL btw (but in CELL is better to add the silicone "bumps" in the corners)

Man, i wish i read this post before i went ahead and used super glue...

For what its worth i only used a tiny dab on each stick. Hopefully i wont need to remove it again anyway. At this point, i have bigger concerns with my PS3 as per Naked snake's tokin replacement thread.

I would recommend you to use a VERY thin wire used for cellphones' screen repair on the corners of the CELL, and then you can use a very thin piece of metal, malleable, that can be found on many things. See my thread on hardware mods for more details.

The RSX is pretty easy, just apply heat for a minute or so, on the corners and put something flat under the IHS, on the side where's the CELL. Watch tutorials, is not that complicated if you study it enough.

I was suprised at how easy the RSX was to be honest. Almost no effort required.

 

[wrx884]

To be more precise... i mean the silicone for general purposes, used at home, in the bath, kitchen, to seal the glass of a window, etc...
Is the kind of product very easy to buy locally, i guess we could say is "pure silicone"
That one is an electrical insulator


There are other silicones with special components, i remember @littlebalup mentioned he was using another type of silicone used in car engines to create "gaskets", it have metal particles (i guess with the goal of increase his density and his heat transfer)... and as a side efect it becomes electrical conductive
Dont use this one in the blue spots of my drawing

@littlebalup was using it on top of the RSX memory chips in the corners (not touching any electrical component)

This may have been me lol? im pretty sure i mentioned this a little while ago or at least i use the same stuff anyways, not on the GPU tho only on the CPU and south bridge IHS. I use this based on its high temp qualities and also its a natural curing silicon no other reason really so i know it wont eat into ur components over time. Dont use any fast curing ones the properties in those will damage ur components over time.

depending on what super glue u used on the rams it might be ok but i wouldn't try pull it off any time soon. Over a short time the heat generated from the console will make the glue go brittle anyways. Ive had a few customers and bought consoles that did the same thing but luckily the glue went brittle and it didnt destroy the tops of the rams. majority of super glues dont like sticking to metals much either its the rams that will be of more concern if anything but nothing a blade wont fix.

 

[NSC-Modz]

I'm here, I'm here ^^

Sorry i had no time to answer.

Here you go:

Here some updates:

This may help you to:

And take care how you open your RSX, otherwise it looks like this: https://abload.de/image_mobile.php?img=chiprambrokenheatc.jpg

If you need something else then let me know, if it's really really important, then contact me over WhatsApp, you can find my number on my YouTube Channel.

And Please, DO NOT GLUE IT BACK, just get the IHS on the cooler with pressure, and it will hold for ever, just like it's magic ^^

Follow my videos and you good to go.

Best Regards and stay strong guys!
NSC

 

[sandungas]

This may have been me lol? im pretty sure i mentioned this a little while ago or at least i use the same stuff anyways, not on the GPU tho only on the CPU and south bridge IHS. I use this based on its high temp qualities and also its a natural curing silicon no other reason really so i know it wont eat into ur components over time. Dont use any fast curing ones the properties in those will damage ur components over time.

depending on what super glue u used on the rams it might be ok but i wouldn't try pull it off any time soon. Over a short time the heat generated from the console will make the glue go brittle anyways. Ive had a few customers and bought consoles that did the same thing but luckily the glue went brittle and it didnt destroy the tops of the rams. majority of super glues dont like sticking to metals much either its the rams that will be of more concern if anything but nothing a blade wont fix.

You too ?, this is becoming popular the first time i did read about it was here https://www.psx-place.com/threads/keeping-temps-low-in-a-cechgxx.25377/page-2#post-195902

In general i like the idea of using this silicones with metal particles when is needed to fill a gap, so it works as a thermal pad of high quality, for the RSX memory chips it comes in handy because additionally is going to keep the IHS sticked in place (and is not hard to remove it later if needed)
The only contra i see is that is a bit expensive, not much but you know, most people doesnt needs that big tube, they are going to use only a 1% of the tube and the other 99% is going to get dry after some years unused in the toolbox
Also, i really think the RSX memory chips doesnt generates much heat by themselfs, is just an intuition and depends of the RSX revision though, i think there is no need to get paranoid with the heat of that memory chips, a thermal paste of "meh" quality in the RSX memory chips is good enought


Btw, im curious about the PS3's you found with superglue in the IHS's... they had some marks around the areas with superglue ?. The fumes of the superglue are a bit corrosive (not sure if this is the correct wording though)... you know is a very powerful chemical and his fumes are dangerous to the skin, eyes, plastics, etc...

 

[wrx884]

You too ?, this is becoming popular the first time i did read about it was here https://www.psx-place.com/threads/keeping-temps-low-in-a-cechgxx.25377/page-2#post-195902

In general i like the idea of using this silicones with metal particles when is needed to fill a gap, so it works as a thermal pad of high quality, for the RSX memory chips it comes in handy because additionally is going to keep the IHS sticked in place (and is not hard to remove it later if needed)
The only contra i see is that is a bit expensive, not much but you know, most people doesnt needs that big tube, they are going to use only a 1% of the tube and the other 99% is going to get dry after some years unused in the toolbox
Also, i really think the RSX memory chips doesnt generates much heat by themselfs, is just an intuition and depends of the RSX revision though, i think there is no need to get paranoid with the heat of that memory chips, a thermal paste of "meh" quality in the RSX memory chips is good enought


Btw, im curious about the PS3's you found with superglue in the IHS's... they had some marks around the areas with superglue ?. The fumes of the superglue are a bit corrosive (not sure if this is the correct wording though)... you know is a very powerful chemical and his fumes are dangerous to the skin, eyes, plastics, etc...

haha thats pretty cool someone else is using the same idea, ive got it stored in the fridge when i rebuild some engines or for what ever but yeah if u dont do this as a back round hobby too it can be a waste to buy just that tube for this. Tho it lasts for years if kept sealed and stored in the fridge u can always use it many times if/when needed. Funny enough it was really only when i started removing the south bridge IHS's that i got the idea from as really thats the one that has a much tiny die and it doesn't get the same pressure applied like the other 2 BGAs so i needed something to pre set nicely and not move upon assembly.

I actually use a 2 part thermal adhesive back on the rams on the GPU, u do still need to protect them from heat so even just thermal paste on them is a good idea. I mean u think about it the IHS will soak up the heat and transfer it onto the rams too so some protection is a good idea. I only use the adhesive to make sure the IHS and the BGA stays perfectly flat, that way theres no movement when the console heats up and cools down on every boot cycle. i just made sure i got one that has a medium strength so it can be easily removed if needed. Arctic does a good product so i cant complain with using that.

There wasnt really any marks left over from the super glue, it all really came off like a skin once i used a razor blade on them but saying that i cant tell u how long they had been on there previously? The glue did start smoking slightly when i was heating up the IHS to remove the IHS from the GPU but the heat was mild 130* so wasnt too bad luckily, any hotter then it would have been pretty bad fumes i reckon.

 

[SeanRanklin]

I'm here, I'm here ^^

Sorry i had no time to answer.

Here you go:

Here some updates:

This may help you to:

And take care how you open your RSX, otherwise it looks like this: https://abload.de/image_mobile.php?img=chiprambrokenheatc.jpg

If you need something else then let me know, if it's really really important, then contact me over WhatsApp, you can find my number on my YouTube Channel.

And Please, DO NOT GLUE IT BACK, just get the IHS on the cooler with pressure, and it will hold for ever, just like it's magic ^^

Follow my videos and you good to go.

Best Regards and stay strong guys!
NSC

Sorry NSC, unfortunately i was impatient and used a very small drop of glue on each ram module to secure it down. I did this because i am sending it away for tokin replacement and did not like the idea of having the die exposed in such a way.

I love your tutorials on youtube by the way, you make things look so easy but i keep forgetting you are a professional at this stuff!

 

[Naked_Snake1995]

Sorry NSC, unfortunately i was impatient and used a very small drop of glue on each ram module to secure it down. I did this because i am sending it away for tokin replacement and did not like the idea of having the die exposed in such a way.

I love your tutorials on youtube by the way, you make things look so easy but i keep forgetting you are a professional at this stuff!

You shouldn't have done now, consider the board dead, if you want to remove the IHS again, you might run the risk of ripping off one of the VRAM modules, did it once back in 2011 and ive regretted ever since, is hard to take that thing off, even if you manage to take of the IHS unscathed, removing the glue is a PITA, and not only that by applying glue you are creating another layer of height between the IHS and the die, and you run the risk of overheating your chip, which happened can happen, so next time run the chips without any glue involved, the pressure form the Heatsink and Chipsets, and it will have a better die surface contact, making thermal dissipation much more efficient,keeping them flat, and your PS3 thanks you

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[SeanRanklin]

You shouldn't have done now, consider the board dead, if you want to remove the IHS again, you might run the risk of ripping off one of the VRAM modules, did it once back in 2011 and ive regretted ever since, is hard to take that thing off, even if you manage to take of the IHS unscathed, removing the glue is a PITA, and not only that by applying glue you are creating another layer of height between the IHS and the die, and you run the risk of overheating your chip, which happened can happen, so next time run the chips without any glue involved, the pressure form the Heatsink and Chipsets, and it will have a better die surface contact, making thermal dissipation much more efficient,keeping them flat, and your PS3 thanks you

Sent from my G8141 using Tapatalk

Oh trust me, i have no intention of ever removing the ihs. My temps before the IHS removal for the RSX were 59-65 at 28% fan speed, highest was 68-69 with the webman fan control going up to 40% (rarely) before the temps drop. Only if i am seeing higher temps than this will i attempt to remove the ISH, otherwise its staying the way it is.

IF i ever need to get it off, i'll use a razor blade. the dab of glue i put honestly wouldnt be more than 2mm.

 

[Naked_Snake1995]

Oh trust me, i have no intention of ever removing the ihs. My temps before the IHS removal for the RSX were 59-65 at 28% fan speed, highest was 68-69 with the webman fan control going up to 40% (rarely) before the temps drop. Only if i am seeing higher temps than this will i attempt to remove the ISH, otherwise its staying the way it is.

IF i ever need to get it off, i'll use a razor blade. the dab of glue i put honestly wouldnt be more than 2mm.

Your PlayStation, your methods, i stated my point of view,just hope you dont regret it later down the line

 

[sandungas]

haha thats pretty cool someone else is using the same idea, ive got it stored in the fridge when i rebuild some engines or for what ever but yeah if u dont do this as a back round hobby too it can be a waste to buy just that tube for this. Tho it lasts for years if kept sealed and stored in the fridge u can always use it many times if/when needed. Funny enough it was really only when i started removing the south bridge IHS's that i got the idea from as really thats the one that has a much tiny die and it doesn't get the same pressure applied like the other 2 BGAs so i needed something to pre set nicely and not move upon assembly.

I actually use a 2 part thermal adhesive back on the rams on the GPU, u do still need to protect them from heat so even just thermal paste on them is a good idea. I mean u think about it the IHS will soak up the heat and transfer it onto the rams too so some protection is a good idea. I only use the adhesive to make sure the IHS and the BGA stays perfectly flat, that way theres no movement when the console heats up and cools down on every boot cycle. i just made sure i got one that has a medium strength so it can be easily removed if needed. Arctic does a good product so i cant complain with using that.

I liked the idea of the silicone with metal particles when i did read littlebalup was using it, and now i know you had the same idea and you are using it too i like it a bit more
The other thermal adhesive made by artic is this one right ? https://www.watercoolinguk.co.uk/p/Arctic-Cooling-G-1-Thermal-Adhesive_22774.html
Is nice and doesnt have the problem of electrical conductivity, in my opinion this is the ideal thermal adhesive for the RSX memory chips, but is not easy to find locally and a bit expensive too

Just for fun... is a weird product, the box looks like a medicine, but when you apply and it gets dry is very gummy and smells nice... is the kind of thing a kid could confuse it with food... it boost the temptation to put inside the mouth and chew it a bit to see if is tasty, lol

Oh trust me, i have no intention of ever removing the ihs. My temps before the IHS removal for the RSX were 59-65 at 28% fan speed, highest was 68-69 with the webman fan control going up to 40% (rarely) before the temps drop. Only if i am seeing higher temps than this will i attempt to remove the ISH, otherwise its staying the way it is.

IF i ever need to get it off, i'll use a razor blade. the dab of glue i put honestly wouldnt be more than 2mm.

Remember what @wrx884 said, after some months of use the superglue in the RSX memory chips becomes brittle, thats a very important detail because it allows to remove it easyer
You know... if you try to remove it before it gets brittle you could cause serious damage... but if you wait enought until it becomes brittle is a lot safer to remove the IHS

I guess the reason why it becomes brittle is because the superglue chemical composition is not intended to handle the temperature changes very well
You know, when you turn ON the PS3 the superglue is going to heat (and this is when it could create some fumes i was asking about) and when you turn OFF the PS3 it returns to ambient temperature
That variations of temperature up and down repeated hundreds of times for weeks, months, years is what makes it brittle (the structure of his particles is decomposing... is not superglue anymore... it becomes garbage)

We dont know how many heat up cycles are needed to reach that point, but my suggestion is to dont try to remove it yet, best thing you can do at this point (incase the temperatures are aceptable) is to use the PS3 normally for some months
And if everything goes normally... the next year is about time to bite the bullet and do the surgeon... and replace the thermal pastes for a manteinance
Is an small annoyance, but be positive, the next time you do it maybe you are going to have an small improvement of 3ºC or 4ºC

 

[SeanRanklin]

I liked the idea of the silicone with metal particles when i did read littlebalup was using it, and now i know you had the same idea and you are using it too i like it a bit more
The other thermal adhesive made by artic is this one right ? https://www.watercoolinguk.co.uk/p/Arctic-Cooling-G-1-Thermal-Adhesive_22774.html
Is nice and doesnt have the problem of electrical conductivity, in my opinion this is the ideal thermal adhesive for the RSX memory chips, but is not easy to find locally and a bit expensive too

Just for fun... is a weird product, the box looks like a medicine, but when you apply and it gets dry is very gummy and smells nice... is the kind of thing a kid could confuse it with food... it boost the temptation to put inside the mouth and chew it a bit to see if is tasty, lol


Remember what @wrx884 said, after some months of use the superglue in the RSX memory chips becomes brittle, thats a very important detail because it allows to remove it easyer
You know... if you try to remove it before it gets brittle you could cause serious damage... but if you wait enought until it becomes brittle is a lot safer to remove the IHS

I guess the reason why it becomes brittle is because the superglue chemical composition is not intended to handle the temperature changes very well
You know, when you turn ON the PS3 the superglue is going to heat (and this is when it could create some fumes i was asking about) and when you turn OFF the PS3 it returns to ambient temperature
That variations of temperature up and down repeated hundreds of times for weeks, months, years is what makes it brittle (the structure of his particles is decomposing... is not superglue anymore... it becomes garbage)

We dont know how many heat up cycles are needed to reach that point, but my suggestion is to dont try to remove it yet, best thing you can do at this point (incase the temperatures are aceptable) is to use the PS3 normally for some months
And if everything goes normally... the next year is about time to bite the bullet and do the surgeon... and replace the thermal pastes for a manteinance
Is an small annoyance, but be positive, the next time you do it maybe you are going to have an small improvement of 3ºC or 4ºC

Great advice, much appreciated. My PS3 is going in for tantalum surgery soon so will see how the unit runs after that is done

The RSX doesnt bother me half as much as these necs do

 

[raidriar]

Great advice, much appreciated. My PS3 is going in for tantalum surgery soon so will see how the unit runs after that is done

The RSX doesnt bother me half as much as these necs do

Don't replace NEC if nothing is broken. I have a bunch of BC PS3s some with very high run times and none have needed NEC replacement.

 

[wrx884]

I liked the idea of the silicone with metal particles when i did read littlebalup was using it, and now i know you had the same idea and you are using it too i like it a bit more
The other thermal adhesive made by artic is this one right ? https://www.watercoolinguk.co.uk/p/Arctic-Cooling-G-1-Thermal-Adhesive_22774.html
Is nice and doesnt have the problem of electrical conductivity, in my opinion this is the ideal thermal adhesive for the RSX memory chips, but is not easy to find locally and a bit expensive too

Just for fun... is a weird product, the box looks like a medicine, but when you apply and it gets dry is very gummy and smells nice... is the kind of thing a kid could confuse it with food... it boost the temptation to put inside the mouth and chew it a bit to see if is tasty, lol

Hahaha i hope it didnt temp u @sandungas lol

This is the one im using http://www.arcticsilver.com/arctic_silver_thermal_adhesive.htm note how its only used on the rams and nothing else as it can become capacitive once cured. Looks like its now discontinued tho lucky i have like 5 left in the fridge haha so the one u posted would work just as well and would be more user friendly and if anything would be better if ur worried about using it near components. shame it doesn't come in a tube tho so u can re use it since we only need the tiniest of amounts. kinda glad u bought this up as i wouldn't have known my product was no longer so i would need to find an alternative at some point.

 

[sandungas]

Hahaha i hope it didnt temp u @sandungas lol

It did, the first time i used it i realized inmediatly that is something dangerous for kids because his weight is very low, like a foam made with cream, or sugar, also it smells a bit like strawberries
It looks like candy, smells like candy... so... it should be a candy, the kid in me was telling me "eat it", lol

I guess this is the reason why the box looks like a medicine, lol... keep apart from kids

This is the one im using http://www.arcticsilver.com/arctic_silver_thermal_adhesive.htm note how its only used on the rams and nothing else as it can become capacitive once cured. Looks like its now discontinued tho lucky i have like 5 left in the fridge haha so the one u posted would work just as well and would be more user friendly and if anything would be better if ur worried about using it near components. shame it doesn't come in a tube tho so u can re use it since we only need the tiniest of amounts. kinda glad u bought this up as i wouldn't have known my product was no longer so i would need to find an alternative at some point.

I bought it one time too, not sure why but eventually the product inside one of the syringes decomposed, it was like if the syringue had some "oil" inside
I suggest to store them in horizontal, and move them around from time to time to prevent that problem

 

[NSC-Modz]

Guys... You really DON'T need to glue it back, i can NOT recommend to glue it back again...

1. As you guys already have take the high risk to remove the IHS, you can be happy and very lucky that all is still working again, so why the hell glue it back?¿?

2. "IF" you glue it back, just IF, then use ONLY silicon for the CELL IHS and use ONLY Thermal Glue for the RSX IHS.

3. "IF" you glue it back, and you had not pressure enough on the IHS while the glue was getting dry and hard, the IHS will not have 100% contact to the Die and it will run hot and overheat soon again!

4. Super Glue or Second Glue is NOT recommend!!! OMG...

5. After removing the IHS, just apply new thermal paste and replace the IHS first on the cooler back, press the IHS down with a lot pressure, and hold the pressure for some minutes till the paste has spread out completely, and then you will feel that the IHS will get fixed on the cooler from alone, then just build it together, you don't need to be afraid, just do it like on my videos, with the time, the IHS will stay like for ever on the cooler because it gets fixed great from the pressure of the clamps.

Just don't glue it back, that makes no sense... ^^

Sony just did glue the IHS for purpose, so it will be hard for you to get in there, and not for a better cooling xD

As you removed the IHS, you can just build it together like on my videos, and if you need to apply new thermal paste one day again, then you just need to take off the Mainboard and you are good to go again...

The last PS3 models like the PS3 SS, they have no Thermal Paste or Thermal Glue on the RSX, because it's just not needed xD

Wish you all the best guys.

Best Regards
NSC

 

[wrx884]

Guys... You really DON'T need to glue it back, i can NOT recommend to glue it back again...

3. "IF" you glue it back, and you had not pressure enough on the IHS while the glue was getting dry and hard, the IHS will not have 100% contact to the Die and it will run hot and overheat soon again!

NSC

Not true the thermal adhesive and silicon isnt a fast drying adhesive so the same pressure will be applied as soon as u start assembling the console as per normal again so nothing changes here.