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[snkplkn]

Actually Trump said coronavirus situation is a hoax. Just like many things which he refer to as fake news & Hoax.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/28/trump-says-the-coronavirus-is-the-democrats-new-hoax.html

But Trump response to Coronavirus is bad. They bungled the most basic thing by screwing evacuation of Americans from Wuhan. The Americans went to evacuate potential carriers without proper protective gear & training. They staff who worked on these evacuations did not even get tested on return & did not quarantine itself roaming freely in US military masses in California.

Since last 3 years, Trump has cut healthcare spending & including critical areas like disease control CDC. (though Congress is now ramping up this spending). Trump doesn't think that disease control is a priority. I hope he has learned that now.

https://fortune.com/2020/02/26/coronavirus-covid-19-cdc-budget-cuts-us-trump/

But problem started long before. US should have simply BANNED all flights to & from China. Just no more flights. Italy & Singapore did this a lot earlier. Of course, if Coronavirus becomes Pandemic, it will reach US sooner or later. But stopping flight from China early on was a necessary step which Trump didn't do. The point is to gain time to get prepared for Coronavirus when it hits.

But the BIGGEST mistake which Trump has done & continue to do. Leaving Coronavirus treatment in hands of PRIVATE health insurance companies. Just see these two stories. People who got Coronavirus ending up with massive bills & even those who didn't get the virus but had the testing also end up massive hospital bills.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...a-us-miami-osmel-martinez-azcue-a9358146.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/29/upshot/coronavirus-surprise-medical-bills.html

https://qz.com/1809382/us-health-care-costs-could-help-coronavirus-spread/


So you are dealing with killer virus, and you are asking citizens to pay $$$$ to get tested & treatment. Many people can't afford this. In Wuhan, China, all Flu treatment is now FREE. Not just Coronavirus, but all Flu diseases. So if you have symptoms of Flu, you are encouraged to come forward & get treatment without paying any bills. Even the cost of housing in quarantine units, medicines & food is free. That's the only way to control virus which has spread at a large scale.

If Trump is really serious about dealing with Coronavirus. Then first step is unrestricted spending on healthcare, CDC & FREE treatment to all Flu patients. Just declaring everything as Hoax or fake news not gonna work.

 

[DeViL303]

Actually Trump said coronavirus situation is a hoax.

Just declaring everything as Hoax or fake news not gonna work.

He never actually said that. Media is twisting this as usual. Micheal Moore claimed he said that alright. Be careful what you believe.

Dont let someone else tell you what he said... He would hardly ban people travelling from China a month ago and then say its all a hoax 2 days ago...makes no sense.

Don't spread fake news.

Either he said it, or someone made it up..lets see the full unedited video and audio and see who is right?

Its very bad that some americans and the american media especially are trying to turn this into a political us vs them thing...looks like it is working as you believe he said it...

He was asked about this yesterday, "you used the word hoax when referring to democrats" ..is this what you mean?

The real hoax is people trying to say he is calling the coronavirus a hoax...

 

[snkplkn]

Not gonna debate the attitude of Trump. What matters is his actions & Trump's foolish & negligent actions says louder than his words.

 

[DeViL303]

I was just talking about what he did or did not say. I am not saying I agree with everything he is doing at all. But I do not believe he said it was a hoax... that is a bit extreme

The fact that is all over US media with no actual footage of him saying it is very telling of how much US media lie in general.

 

[snkplkn]

He was asked about this yesterday, "you used the word hoax when referring to democrats" ..is this what you mean?

Not this video. Its 2 days before at a rally.

edit - posted a short clip

 

[DeViL303]

Not this video. Its 2 days before at a rally.

Oh well i would i would want to see what he said 10 seconds before that clip they show, because they obviously cut that mid sentence...do not fall for shit like that...you will not get an accurate picture..

 

[snkplkn]

I already have an accurate picture. Actually he rambles about Russia & impeachment, then he says that Democrats criticism of Trump's Coronavirus response is a new Hoax. He says that thousands of people die with Common flu, so what's the big deal.

According to Trump, every criticism of Trump is a Hoax spread by media & Democrats. And its not this speech. Trump has been dismissing Coronavirus threats since last two months.

 

[DeViL303]

Well the US media is saying he said "coroanvirus is a hoax" which is a lot different to saying something about democrats, that is all i need to know about american media to know I do not trust any of it. So glad I don't live there and get that brainwashing every day..

EVERYTHING has to be about trump over there.

 

[snkplkn]

Media is saying it correct. Democrats are alarmed by the emergency situation of Coronavirus & Trump isn't taking any real steps to deal with it. So Trump dismissing Democrats criticism of Coronavirus response pretty much means Trump is saying Coronavirus emergency is a Hoax.

X say a factual statement regarding something to Y. Y says X is saying a Hoax. It implies that Y has no regard to actual facts & he dismisses facts as a Hoax.

 

[DeViL303]

So Trump dismissing Democrats criticism of Coronavirus response pretty much means Trump is saying Coronavirus emergency is a Hoax.

Not really, He could be dismissing their CRITICISM of the response because he thinks he has responded enough. I know one thing. I wish our government had banned travelers from China a month ago and put in mandatory screening for people coming from worst hit areas.. you come here from Italy now and you get a leaflet FFS..

Anyway we are going off topic, this thread is not about Trump

 

[snkplkn]

Anyway we are going off topic, this thread is not about Trump

I agree. As i said, look at the policy decisions of Trump, not the rhetoric. I mentioned some of the things in my earlier post. I don't care about the rhetoric, i look at the substance.

But Trump response to Coronavirus is bad. They bungled the most basic thing by screwing evacuation of Americans from Wuhan. The Americans went to evacuate potential carriers without proper protective gear & training. They staff who worked on these evacuations did not even get tested on return & did not quarantine itself roaming freely in US military masses in California.

Since last 3 years, Trump has cut healthcare spending & including critical areas like disease control CDC. (though Congress is now ramping up this spending). Trump doesn't think that disease control is a priority. I hope he has learned that now.

https://fortune.com/2020/02/26/coronavirus-covid-19-cdc-budget-cuts-us-trump/

But problem started long before. US should have simply BANNED all flights to & from China. Just no more flights. Italy & Singapore did this a lot earlier. Of course, if Coronavirus becomes Pandemic, it will reach US sooner or later. But stopping flight from China early on was a necessary step which Trump didn't do. The point is to gain time to get prepared for Coronavirus when it hits.

But the BIGGEST mistake which Trump has done & continue to do. Leaving Coronavirus treatment in hands of PRIVATE health insurance companies. Just see these two stories. People who got Coronavirus ending up with massive bills & even those who didn't get the virus but had the testing also end up massive hospital bills.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...a-us-miami-osmel-martinez-azcue-a9358146.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/29/upshot/coronavirus-surprise-medical-bills.html

https://qz.com/1809382/us-health-care-costs-could-help-coronavirus-spread/


So you are dealing with killer virus, and you are asking citizens to pay $$$$ to get tested & treatment. Many people can't afford this. In Wuhan, China, all Flu treatment is now FREE. Not just Coronavirus, but all Flu diseases. So if you have symptoms of Flu, you are encouraged to come forward & get treatment without paying any bills. Even the cost of housing in quarantine units, medicines & food is free. That's the only way to control virus which has spread at a large scale.

If Trump is really serious about dealing with Coronavirus. Then first step is unrestricted spending on healthcare, CDC & FREE treatment to all Flu patients. Just declaring everything as Hoax or fake news not gonna work.

 

[DeViL303]

I agree. As i said, look at the policy decisions of Trump, not the rhetoric. I mentioned some of the things in my earlier post. I don't care about the rhetoric, i look at the substance.

Well I am talking about his actions with the travel ban etc, not his words. You are the one talking about his words actually by stating he said was a hoax and played it down.

Also In this country if an evacuation was fucked up people would not assume it was the presidents fault and blame him personally for what people wore on the day, we would know it was not his decision. its a completely different mentality over there with Trump, IMO due to US media sensationalizing everything.

I do not think any budget was cut from CDC either, more fake news I read.

Be careful what you believe.

 

[snkplkn]

I do not think any budget was cut from CDC either, more fake news I read.

Be careful what you believe.

You are locking yourself in a box where everything is fake news. These cuts to CDC & other Govt programs is not new, these have been going on since last couple of years.

https://www.the-scientist.com/daily...c-health-fund-puts-cdc-programs-at-risk-30298

http://thenationshealth.aphapublications.org/content/49/3/1.2

https://time.com/5177802/cdc-budget-cuts-infectious-disease/

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/5/24/15684750/cdc-reaction-trump-public-health-cuts

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5468112/


And its not CDC, Trump has done major cuts in healthcare programs like Medicare & Medicaid.

Trump cutting programs that are lifeline of people & makes you believe its fake news.

 

[DeViL303]

You are locking yourself in a box where everything is fake news. These cuts to CDC & other Govt programs is not new, these have been going on since last couple of years.

Are you reading more than the headlines and first paragraph??? I dont think you are.

You are being bullshitted by headlines, read the fine print and see how they manipulate you.

https://www.the-scientist.com/daily...c-health-fund-puts-cdc-programs-at-risk-30298

Says funds moved to children instead and plan was originally enacted by obama.. Also says its was a % of a % but never says how much.

For example, in February 2012, Congress passed and then-President Barack Obama approved legislation that cut the fund by $6.25 billion over nine years (fiscal years 2013-21) to provide money for a scheduled cut to Medicare physician payments. And in December 2016, the fund was cut again by $3.5 billion over seven years (fiscal years 2018-24) to pay for the 21st Century Cures Act.

It was a refused proposal too.

Next one:

http://thenationshealth.aphapublications.org/content/49/3/1.2

Read the story man, not just the headline, you are being fooled. and follow up.
https://apnews.com/d36d6c4de29f4d04beda3db00cb46104

THE FACTS: They're both wrong to say the agencies have seen their money cut.

It was a proposal that got refused by congress

So 2 out of 2 fake news IMO. they have not said trump cut anything.

Next one:

https://time.com/5177802/cdc-budget-cuts-infectious-disease/

That one doesn't even really say anything about any cuts that Trump did??

Nothing their to refute, they are talking about proposals that never happened.

3 out of 3 fake news not saying trump cut anything.

Next one

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/5/24/15684750/cdc-reaction-trump-public-health-cuts

Again read the story man, they are talking about cuts that get refused by congress, you really have nothing do you? you are just spreading the same fake news hoping I wont read the articles... Cmon, you can do better.

Ok, 4 out of 4 not saying he cut anything.

Next one.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5468112/

Same old shit, its an article from 2017 talking about a 2018 cut that never happened.

Go again?

Now can you see how you are fooled by the media, % links there that you thought would prove your point but it never happened. Those links are the definition of how fake news spreads.

 

[snkplkn]

You are a hardcore Trump supporter, my friend. Nothing can convince you but i will give you some details apart from news articles. Let me dig up the actual budget documents of last several years. I know that even that won't convince you but i will do it regardless.

 

[DeViL303]

You are a hardcore Trump supporter, my friend. Nothing can convince you but i will give you some details apart from news articles.

No man, I am just pointing out that all those articles are from 2017 talking about a 2018 cut that never happened.

Our media does not lie so much, so we find out when the US media is BSing..

This site is meant to be reputable

https://apnews.com/d36d6c4de29f4d04beda3db00cb46104

Bloomberg is repeating the false allegation in a new ad that states the U.S. is unprepared for the virus because of "reckless cuts" to the CDC. Trump's budgets have proposed cuts to public health, only to be overruled by Congress, where there's strong bipartisan support for agencies such as the CDC and NIH. Instead, financing has increased.

It says there was no cut? Financing was increased instead... So which one is fake news tell me?

 

[DeViL303]

et me dig up the actual budget documents of last several years. I know that even that won't convince you but i will do it regardless.

I will 100% be convinced if you can show me the actual budget doc and not over hyped proposals on US media sites. Also if it was cut part of long term plan enacted by Obama and approved by congress in December 2016 that applies to 2018-2024 or 2013-2021 then it does not really count does it?

I think you are someone who just reads the headlines...often the article will contradict the headline, watch out for it


From your own link:

For example, in February 2012, Congress passed and then-President Barack Obama approved legislation that cut the fund by $6.25 billion over nine years (fiscal years 2013-21) to provide money for a scheduled cut to Medicare physician payments. And in December 2016, the fund was cut again by $3.5 billion over seven years (fiscal years 2018-24) to pay for the 21st Century Cures Act.

So cuts were approved in 2012 and 2016, but Trumps cuts were rejected and spending on the CDC was increased instead from what I can see.

 

[snkplkn]

I will post more details later. But to give you a general idea. Trump (executive branch) gives a budget proposal to Congress. All of Trump's budget proposals in last 3 years are bad. Full of cuts & austerity on national Healthcare, medicare, medicaid, food stamps, welfare pay grants etc etc. These budget documents are not final. These are amended by Congress as Opposition which is the Democratic Party holds a degree of power in Congress.

So if Trump proposes 20% cute to healthcare. Then Congress & Democrats reject it for obvious reasons. Then Budget proposal is haggled among lawmakers of Republican Party & Democratic party & they find a middle ground to reach a consensus. Ultimately Congress/Senate is the one that passes the budget.

The fact that Trump proposes outright 21% cut to health & human services (HHS consists of various departments) spending should give you an idea about the INTENT of Trump Govt. They want to cut these Govt programs & they don't care how many suffer.

 

[DeViL303]

give you an idea about the INTENT of Trump Govt

Well lets stick to facts and not "ideas about intent" as ideas are funny things and so are opinions on intent.

I think this is a great little experiment to do though to show which one of us is being brainwashed by our media, I am open to the fact that I might be wrong. You would agree that you are someone fairly convinced that Trump cut the budget to the CDC right? and you think you have links to back it up? I have just posted one link saying its not true. lets see who really is posting fake news.

As well I think the whole reason Obama was cutting the budgets by billions was because the US has to borrow the money anyway, its in massive debt. Its not so much "cutting budgets" and more "not borrowing as much". I do not for a second think that Obama and congress was cutting those budgets in 2012 and 2016 because they had something against sick people.

 

[snkplkn]

Well lets stick to facts and not "ideas about intent" as ideas are funny things and so are opinions on intent.

If you try to kill someone but you are stopped by police, that doesn't absolve you of the crime. You will still be charged with attempt to murder. But at least you do agree about Trump's plans of Budget cuts on CDC & HHS. Do you?