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snkplkn said:
If you try to kill someone but you are stopped by police, that doesn't absolve you of the crime.
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Lets take that a step further, So if a proposing a budget cut that gets rejected is attempted murder, what about previous budget cuts that were approved? Actual murder then I guess if you follow that logic.

I agree cutting budgets to CDC is bad, luckily it seems it never happened the way you say.
 
Actually i am seeing these Trump Budgets which have all kind of Austerity measures. Like 21% cuts in HHS (page 48) which includes CDC & mentions all details (appendix) of budget cuts in 2018-19. But i am looking for actual budget numbers passed by the Congress. Unfortunately, US doesn't have full budget these days as they are haggling over Debt ceiling & passing quarterly spending plans so can't find exact data on these temporary spending plans (i'll post more details as i find it)

https://www.govinfo.gov/features/budget-fy2019

But i don't care who is responsible for Budget cuts of critical programs, its equivalent to murder, no matter who does it. Obama started it in 2011 & i was critical of him, Trump is doing it in his tenure so i am critical of him.
 
DeViL303 said:
luckily it seems it never happened the way you say.
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Not luck but actually efforts of opposition party which is blocking Trump's foolish Budget plans since he took office. I am looking for actual spending data but so far i am only getting Trump's Budget plans.


Edit - we cat talk about off topic in private chat. Not worth going off topic. Last 2 pages need to be deleted or transferred to some new thread.
 
snkplkn said:
but i don't care who is responsible for Budget cuts of critical programs
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Well I dont care either, but your whole point has been that trump did cut the budgets and this is bad for coronavirus.

I looked at your latest link and I can not see anything that is more than proposals.

Even snopes is saying its just a proposal that never got approved.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-cut-cdc-budget/

Some people are avoiding Corona beer FFS. So much fake news going around.
 
snkplkn said:
I am looking into previous years. Not just 2020.
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That's cool. My thinking would be that the media would have 10 people talking about the ACTUAL cuts if they happened, they would not need to put out deceptively worded stories about proposals. But you never know. Maybe they missed something.
 
I am trying to find information on CDC cuts specially in 2018 & 2019 when Trump gutted most of the public programs. So i found some information.

The CDC's program focuses on infectious diseases ranging from foodborne illnesses to anthrax and Ebola. It manages laboratory, epidemiologic, analytic and prevention programs, and collaborates with state and local health departments, other federal government agencies, industry and foreign ministries of health.

In 2018, Trump tried to cut $65 million from this budget – a 10% reduction. In 2019, he sought a 19% reduction. For 2020, he proposed to cut federal spending on emerging infectious and zoonotic diseases by 20%. This would mean spending $100 million less in 2020 to study how such diseases infect humans than the U.S. did just two years ago.

Congress reinstated most of this funding, with bipartisan support. But the overall level of appropriations for relevant CDC programs is still 10% below what the U.S. spent in 2016, adjusting for inflation.
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So it appears that after haggling with Congress over broader cuts, Trump was able to cut CDC spending by 10%.

https://globalhealthnewswire.com/20...nfectious-disease-outbreaks-like-coronavirus/
 
Also look at Global Health program which deals with monitoring global epidemics. Budget cut of $76 Million which is around 16% of program.

Global Health
By ensuring that countries have the capacity to prevent, detect, and respond to threats within their borders, CDC's Center for Global Health helps prevent regional and global health crises that affect health, security, and economic stability abroad and at home. These activities provide a global safety net by monitoring for disease outbreaks 24/7 around the world. CDC uses scientific data to track diseases and other health threats and target services to those who need them most across a variety of programs, including global immunization, HIV/AIDS, tuberculosis, parasitic diseases and malaria, and disease detection and response, as well as health systems and laboratories.
The FY 2018 Budget includes $350 million for global health activities, a decrease of $76 million below the spending level allowed by the FY 2017 Continuing Resolution.
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And i forgot to mention an important news. Trump disbanded the CDC pandemic control team in 2018 which was once formed to precidely deal with these kind of emergency.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-global-health-team-disband-nsc-a8346346.html


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Also found 2019 CDC Budget (Don't know if its the finally implemented plan). It also has around 10% total budget cut compared to 2018. So its 20% BELOW the CDC spending of 2016.

https://www.cdc.gov/budget/documents/fy2019/fy-2019-detail-table.pdf
 
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DeViL303 said:
Ok, I will give you that, looks like it was cut in 2018 but increased in 2019 and 2020.

Hard to know with these long term 8 year plans in action. How many departments were cut as part of those.
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Not increased, but DECREASED further. Look at 2019 data.

Edit - I don't think Trump's plan for further cuts got approval for Congress in fy2019 so spending was neither decreased nor increased.

Edit 2 - 2020 will definitely see an increase as US Govt will pass extra spending plans for CDC.
 
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snkplkn said:
One thing for sure. The Pandemic response team was disbanded in 2018 by Trump as they though it was unnecessary.

https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...eeing-pandemic-response-suddenly-leaves-admin
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Well its proof of fake news that there are so many contradicting stories.


This one says the same people are in charge as always.
https://apnews.com/d36d6c4de29f4d04beda3db00cb46104

Among the health authorities overseeing the work are Dr. Anne Schuchat, CDC's principal deputy director and a veteran of previous outbreaks, and Dr. Anthony Fauci, NIH's infectious disease chief who has advised six presidents.
"The CDC's response has been excellent, as it has been in the past," said John Auerbach, president of the nonpartisan Trust for America's Health, which works with government at all levels to improve the nation's response to high-risk health crises. Some Democrats have charged that Trump decimated the nation's public health leadership, but Auerbach said CDC's top scientific ranks have remained stable during the past three years.
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Forget about these proposals and figures. Just use a simple logic. Trump demands 20% Budget cuts. Congress rejects Trump's plan. Than obviously, Trump & GOP will haggle with opposition Democrats to find a middle ground. They can never INCREASE spending in finding a middle ground. The may agree at 10% cut or 5% cut as a counteroffer to Trump's 20% cut.

But now they are waking up. US Govt is looking to pass $2.5 Billion funding to CDC soon.
 
DeViL303 said:
Well its proof of fake news that there are so many contradicting stories.


This one says the same people are in charge as always.
https://apnews.com/d36d6c4de29f4d04beda3db00cb46104
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The top technocrat and his team who were responsible for Pandemic control emergency was relieved in 2018. This team was not a division of CDC but actually a higher authority under National security council. CDC is only Scientists, Doctors & Bureaucrat etc. National security Council consists of Military & Intelligence officers with technical/scientific/medical background. its different from CDC.
 
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