PS2 Problem when playing PS1 games on the PS2 on a HDTV with component or PS2 to HDMI Converter

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To get PS1 discs to work on my HDTV via component cables (just like before with the PS2 to HDMI Converter), I had to follow this (I didn't change offset settings but it still worked) and it looks like I'll have to do it every time I want to play PS1 discs, which is annoying. If not, I'll have a black screen (although there are times I have image). What would I do if I didn't have a FMCB MC or if I had one but didn't have GSM? Would I have this issue on a modern TV if using component cables together with portta?

If I want to play PS1 NTSC discs I have to select the "NTSC" setting on GSM but then the screen becomes distorted so how can I fix this?

Do PS1 and PS2 CDs and CDs in general degrade the PS2's and the PS3's lasers faster than PS2 DVDs and CDs and DVDs in general? In that case I guess playing burned PS1 and PS2 CD discs put even more strain on their lasers.
 
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BTW: "PSX" came from "PlayStation-X", a codename of project on which Sony worken on back in days, and which we known today as "PlayStation". In my times, we using acronym "PSX", instead to "PS1". Unfortunately, Sony decided to hijack this and released their DVR mutation as "PSX".

Oh, and sorry for the app name misleading. ^^"
 
Berion said:
Maybe I mislead the app name?

Anyway, since You have slim, try this:
https://github.com/wisi-w/DKWDRV/releases
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What does it do and how can I use it?

wisi said:
This is PS1VModeNegator: https://www.psx-place.com/threads/ps1vmodeneg-by-sp193.25050/
This might also work for compatibility with HDMI adapters: https://www.psx-place.com/threads/dkwdrv-unified-ps1drv-for-all-ps2-models.37183/

Sorry for over-correcting.
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Sorry, this is very confusing for me. Which one should I use and how are they used? Since I use component, should I only use PS1VModeNeg or should I also try DKWDRV?
 
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The best solution is try to get at least SCART to HDMI adapter. Although slightly expensive than generic PS2 HDMI adapter, it produces much clearer display due to RGB video mode which is pretty useful for PS1 games.

Also, make sure that you bought this kind of SCART to HDMI adapter only as shown below:

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amirzaim said:
The best solution is try to get at least SCART to HDMI adapter. Although slightly expensive than generic PS2 HDMI adapter, it produces much clearer display due to RGB video mode which is pretty useful for PS1 games.

Also, make sure that you bought this kind of SCART to HDMI adapter only as shown below:

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I just bought PS2 official component cables so I don't want to waste more money with devices.

Do PS1 and PS2 CDs and CDs in general degrade the PS2's and the PS3's lasers faster than PS2 DVDs and DVDs in general? In that case I guess playing burned PS1 and PS2 CD discs put even more strain on their lasers than PS1 and PS2 bought CD discs.
 
Windows10User said:
I just bought PS2 official component cables so I don't want to waste more money with devices.

Do PS1 and PS2 CDs and CDs in general degrade the PS2's and the PS3's lasers faster than PS2 DVDs and DVDs in general? In that case I guess playing burned PS1 and PS2 CD discs put even more strain on their lasers than PS1 and PS2 bought CD discs.
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I hope you bought the SCART cables ones 'cause YPbPr cables don't work with PS1 games. Second, burned mediums tends to make lasers worn out faster, not the original pressed discs.
 
amirzaim said:
I hope you bought the SCART cables ones 'cause YPbPr cables don't work with PS1 games. Second, burned mediums tends to make lasers worn out faster, not the original pressed discs.
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Mine don't work but if I use GSM they do. I thought all did, burned or not, and the burned even more. Do 4K/8K TVs have a SCART plug?

amirzaim said:
The best solution is try to get at least SCART to HDMI adapter. Although slightly expensive than generic PS2 HDMI adapter, it produces much clearer display due to RGB video mode which is pretty useful for PS1 games.

Also, make sure that you bought this kind of SCART to HDMI adapter only as shown below:

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Is the display clearer than using component cables?

If I want to play PS1 NTSC discs I have to select the "NTSC" setting on GSM but then the screen becomes distorted so how can I fix this?
 
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Berion said:
BTW: "PSX" came from "PlayStation-X", a codename of project on which Sony worken on back in days, and which we known today as "PlayStation". In my times, we using acronym "PSX", instead to "PS1". Unfortunately, Sony decided to hijack this and released their DVR mutation as "PSX".

Oh, and sorry for the app name misleading. ^^"
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Yeah, majority of us who had something in common with the first PlayStation refer to this one as a "PSX". That is how it was called by the scene back then too. Nowadays the kids start to correct the parents, because of some rare device released in the Far East which typical Japanese man has not ever heard about. Do y'all really think the PSX-Scene or PSX-Place names were inspired by the obscure thing released in Japan only?
 
I assume that in such website names, the X marks "any" PlayStation (just like the ? / * regular expressions). Else it would be a bit strange to name things referring to all PS consoles by the name of only the first one of them... well actually not even the first, if we count the Nintendo PlayStation (though that had different hardware)...
In most PlayStation stuff the PS1 is referred to as "PlayStation" or "PS" (of course "PS-X" too in some cases). But when one wants to prevent confusion it is clear which names make sense.
I also don't call the PSX DVR only "PSX", but either "PSX DVR" or "PSX DESR". And yes the name could have been better but some people just can't resist to put X in console names as it looks cool or who knows what. There are consoles which take this to an extreme like "Xbox". :D


Windows10User said:
Ok, but how can I try them? Are they used for PS1 backups or PS1 discs?
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You need some method of running programs on the PS2, if you don't have one. I am not too familiar with all methods - check on the forums. FreeMCBoot, Fortuna, (also modchips, ActionReplay discs, SwapMagic discs), etc. Also https://github.com/CTurt/FreeDVDBoot
Then just run the ELF according to its manual. Usually you need to have the disc in the dive before running the ELF, at least for DKWDRV.
For backups you need either a modchip or MechaPwn: https://github.com/MechaResearch/MechaPwn/releases
 
wisi said:
You need some method of running programs on the PS2, if you don't have one. I am not too familiar with all methods - check on the forums. FreeMCBoot, Fortuna, (also modchips, ActionReplay discs, SwapMagic discs), etc. Also https://github.com/CTurt/FreeDVDBoot
Then just run the ELF according to its manual. Usually you need to have the disc in the dive before running the ELF, at least for DKWDRV.
For backups you need either a modchip or MechaPwn: https://github.com/MechaResearch/MechaPwn/releases
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I already have FMCB so I just have to run their ELF and I'll be able to play them without changing any setting? Is DKWDRV better than POPStarter and PS1VModeNeg?

But that is to play games from another regions, not to not have this problem when playing NTSC games, which I guess I'd have it.
 
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Windows10User said:
Mine don't work but if I use GSM they do. I thought all did, burned or not, and the burned even more. Do 4K/8K TVs have a SCART plug?
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Your TV does not support 240/288p, at least from component/HDMI (modern TVs won't display the scanlines. They can decode those signals but usually only from SCART or RCA inputs).

Selecting PAL or NTSC on GSM, converts 240/288p Ps1 games to 480i/576ì, that's the reason they can be displayed through component on your TV.

Windows10User said:
Is the display clearer than using component cables?
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SCART-RGB cable sends a pure uncompressed RGB signal, that's better than component compression in theory. In practice, in your case, it is not (digital tvs tends to better elaborate a component signal than a SCART one. You'll see sharper image and better saturated colors from SCART-RGB, but the picture would be quite "dirty", plus, on component you have access to higher resolutions more easilly).
That said, a SCART-RGB might be your only option. If you have a composite cable, do a test with it. If Ps1 games are good at their original resolution using it, then you shouldn't have problems also with a SCART-RGB.


Windows10User said:
If I want to play PS1 american discs I have to select the "NTSC" setting on GSM but then the screen becomes distorted so how can I fix this? Also, how can I play PS1 japanese discs?
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That's the reason you've been suggested to use PS1VModeNeg: Woon Yung's Website - PS1VModeNeg (google.com)
The Ps2 forces Ps1 games output to match with Ps2 region (so a PAL Ps2 will force also NTSC games to PAL and viceversa).
Ps1VModeNeg makes Ps1 games to output at their native region standard regardless of Ps2 region setting.

Using Ps1VMN the games will not be distorted. But apparently your TV isn't able to show them without converting the resolution, so we are point and head.

For POPS compatible games, I suggest you to use it. It allows a good amont of control over output and geometry (over/underscan, screen centering) settings, through CHEATS.TXT I seems to remember thare are settings appositely made for component users having your same problem.
 
Peppe90 said:
Your TV does not support 240/288p, at least from component/HDMI (modern TVs won't display the scanlines. They can decode those signals but usually only from SCART or RCA inputs).

Selecting PAL or NTSC on GSM, converts 240/288p Ps1 games to 480i/576ì, that's the reason they can be displayed through component on your TV.



SCART-RGB cable sends a pure uncompressed RGB signal, that's better than component compression in theory. In practice, in your case, it is not (digital tvs tends to better elaborate a component signal than a SCART one. You'll see sharper image and better saturated colors from SCART-RGB, but the picture would be quite "dirty", plus, on component you have access to higher resolutions more easilly).
That said, a SCART-RGB might be your only option. If you have a composite cable, do a test with it. If Ps1 games are good at their original resolution using it, then you shouldn't have problems also with a SCART-RGB.




That's the reason you've been suggested to use PS1VModeNeg: Woon Yung's Website - PS1VModeNeg (google.com)
The Ps2 forces Ps1 games output to match with Ps2 region (so a PAL Ps2 will force also NTSC games to PAL and viceversa).
Ps1VModeNeg makes Ps1 games to output at their native region standard regardless of Ps2 region setting.

Using Ps1VMN the games will not be distorted. But apparently your TV isn't able to show them without converting the resolution, so we are point and head.

For POPS compatible games, I suggest you to use it. It allows a good amont of control over output and geometry (over/underscan, screen centering) settings, through CHEATS.TXT I seems to remember thare are settings appositely made for component users having your same problem.
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When choosing NTSC on GSM the screen is cropped. I don't know if using the programs mentioned in this thread make the screen cropped even before playing PS1 games like GSM (that's why I didn't even lose time playing my PS1 PAL disc). If not, unfortunately I can't test them on PS1 NTSC discs since I only have a PS1 disc and it's PAL.

For me they look fine once I bypass the black screen problem but I didn't find any difference (as well as when playing PS2 games) between composite and PS2 TO HDMI Converter/component but that must be my eye's/memory's fault.

What about SCART-RGB vs component on PS2 games since I mostly play them and not PS1 ones?

POPS, what do you mean? PS1 games or a program like POPStarter? If I can use POPS to have fullscreen and so to not have black borders, is it compatible with all PS1 games? And what about not having those black borders on PS2 games?

If every time I have to manually run an ELF instead of being able to play PS1 games on auto-boot, I might as well keep using GSM.
 
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GSM will always be problematic because it traps more GS regs that it should.
PS1VmodeNeg will work but it can only negate video stuff and is buggy for some games and consoles and detection.
It will also not work with component/PS2HDMI if your TV does not support 240p.

Use DKWDRV because it solves all the problems. You do not have to worry about anything, just enable PS2HDMI Fix.

First read well everything that it says
https://github.com/wisi-w/DKWDRV

Download the ELF
https://github.com/wisi-w/DKWDRV/releases/download/1.7.1/DKWDRV.ELF

Insert PS1 disc into console and then load the ELF you downloaded. Go to Option and then Video Options.
Go to
"Component/PS2HDMI Fix" and press right on dpad to set it to 1.
Press triangle to go back to main menu.
Select Save Config to save the selection.
Select Run and the game will boot.

If you have DECKARD you can do live offset the screen. Remember to set PS2HDMI option and save config for each game.
You only need to save config once per game after that you can do Run directly.
Read github link for full info and if you have issues then post (on github issue preferably (or here)) and hope to get fixed one day.
 
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