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[theultimategamer]

What exactly is ps2 placeholder as I have read about it and man it is a very COMPLICATED process?

Is there no way to install PS2 ISOs to an external NTFS HD which has a PS2ISO folder and put ISO files in that and play the games?

 

[STLcardsWS]

1.) You can only play PS2* games on INTERNAL
2.) Not very complicated at all.
--- Install Package
---Activate the Rap for the placeholder (PSNpatch is easiest method )
--Follow instructions
3.) The placeholder is needed for PS2 classic format games, then for ISO'a to get rid of the controller sync issues its needed on firmwares past 4.46 (a sony bug)


Hard to help you without details of your console and firmware. That should always be the first thing you include before asking any questions.

 

[kozarovv]

3.) The placeholder is needed for PS2 classic format games, then for ISO'a to get rid of the controller sync issues its needed on firmwares past 4.46 (a sony bug)

Why everybody saying that is a $ony bug? They try block ISO playing, and they partially achieve a goal. Bug (caused by that iso blocking attempt) was that they lost partially sync on 4.50 OFW. You can say is step back, cuting functionality like with other OS, or they can made something more useful than fighting with 1 % users of PS3. But not a bug, on their OFW everything is working.

 

[STLcardsWS]

Why everybody saying that is a $ony bug? They try block ISO playing, and they partially achieve a goal. Bug (caused by that iso blocking attempt) was that they lost partially sync on 4.50 OFW. You can say is step back, cuting functionality like with other OS, or they can made something more useful than fighting with 1 % users of PS3. But not a bug, on their OFW everything is working.

People say it a bug, because its a bug that was introduced by Sony.n. You cant say it works fine on OFW because OFW uses the PS2 classic format and not ISO. We honestly do not know for sure why Sony did that. On purpose or accident. If it doesnt affect classics they are not going to fix it obviously. So is this a bug they purposely added, or is this a side affect of something else?

That is why its considered a bug. Honestly i doubt Sony was thinking how can we stop PS2 ISO on CFW in the 4.50 update. They would of been thinking about other things. As CFW could still use PS2 Classic format (& even ISO still). So i doubt they spent time or resources purposely doing this to ISO. Just for wireless sync. If they were targeting ISO as you suggested they would of done something to make ISO not play wireless or connected and that was not the case. So that is why its considered a bug because most likely it was

 

[theultimategamer]

1.) You can only play PS3 games on INTERNAL
2.) Not very complicated at all.
--- Install Package
---Activate the Rap for the placeholder (PSNpatch is easiest method )
--Follow instructions
3.) The placeholder is needed for PS2 classic format games, then for ISO'a to get rid of the controller sync issues its needed on firmwares past 4.46 (a sony bug)


Hard to help you without details of your console and firmware. That should always be the first thing you include before asking any questions.

So you can only play ps2 games on internal.

Im on habib cobra 4.70

I dont know what you mean what is a placeholder? I have no idea how to use reactpsn.

Why do people say you can [rip] ISOs and then loading them through webman and play?

Im so lost on what methods there are.

 

[psykosis]

So you can only play ps2 games on internal.

Im on habib cobra 4.70

I dont know what you mean what is a placeholder? I have no idea how to use reactpsn.

Why do people say you can [rip] ISOs and then loading them through webman and play?

Im so lost on what methods there are.

habib cobra 4.70 (starbucks)
He has a specific installer for the ps2 iso and classics. It has instructions on how to install and how to use. I'd read over them a few times.

Basically, you are doing something you aren't supposed to be able to do with your console. It's a feature added with cfw, but has some additional pieces you need to do. READING will help with this.

I'd start with reading more about the habib starbucks installed, check out rebug.me for more instructions to cross reference with, i'd look up reactpsn as well as psnpatch
Around 15-30 minutes will have you up to speed on the stuff you want to know....

 

[theultimategamer]

But isnt habib starbucks the CFW.

Thats the thing I have read about psnpatch and reactpsn but I dont undertstand it or about placeholder.

I wish I didnt go to CFW as it way complicated for someone who doesnt know alot like myself. I just give up now.

 

[psykosis]

That is a choice you have to make. It does require reading to understand what you can do NOW THAT YOU HAVE NO LIMIT.
There are 30 different ways to do the same, and new stuff comes out daily. updates, and all.
Going back to ofw, is probably the biggest mistake most people make, and the forums are flooded with people that accidently do this (a product of not knowing/reading)

By going back to OFW, you lose the following options:
Ability to play game backups
Ability to have linux on the ps3
Ability to play ps2 games on ps3 (90% of them don't)
Ability to play homebrew games that aren't available
Ability to real time edit/mod your games
Ability to control your own temps of your console
Ability to modify your system further
Ability to access Netflix, Hulu, Youtube, etc w/o PSN Access
Ability to play retro games, like nintendo, atari, turbografx16, sega genesis, etc
Ability to play movie backups that were cinavia protected
Ability to play any region game, movie, or disc
Ability to back up your games
and much much more.

The 15-30 minutes of reading is FAR worth the features.

You don't understand reactpsn and psnpatch? That's fine. Move on from that subject, and come back to it. PSNPatch being more useful to help you with your online activities.
PS2 stuff too complicated? Fine. It's not supposed to be running on your machine anyways most likely. Move to the next one.

The basics are. Your ps3 does everything OFW does, and a heck of a lot more. Now that you have 15,000 new features and no limits, you're overwhelmed.

These sites are also not dedicated to downloading/installing games you did not purchase. this is part of the FAQ/Site Rules.

We're here to help if you're stuck on one thing or have a problem, but the step by step tutorials LITERALLY hold your hand through the entire process.

Especially with google, youtube, and several scene sites that have the same information parroted across it, and explained in further details in the comments below......there's a wealth of information to anyone who has the ambition to actually care about their console.

I wish you the best of luck on whatever you decide, but I had the same problem being overwhelmed 3 years ago, and with a little reading, it's gotten a long way. I recommend the same.

 

[theultimategamer]

That is a choice you have to make. It does require reading to understand what you can do NOW THAT YOU HAVE NO LIMIT.
There are 30 different ways to do the same, and new stuff comes out daily. updates, and all.
Going back to ofw, is probably the biggest mistake most people make, and the forums are flooded with people that accidently do this (a product of not knowing/reading)

By going back to OFW, you lose the following options:
Ability to play game backups
Ability to have linux on the ps3
Ability to play ps2 games on ps3 (90% of them don't)
Ability to play homebrew games that aren't available
Ability to real time edit/mod your games
Ability to control your own temps of your console
Ability to modify your system further
Ability to access Netflix, Hulu, Youtube, etc w/o PSN Access
Ability to play retro games, like nintendo, atari, turbografx16, sega genesis, etc
Ability to play movie backups that were cinavia protected
Ability to play any region game, movie, or disc
Ability to back up your games
and much much more.

The 15-30 minutes of reading is FAR worth the features.

You don't understand reactpsn and psnpatch? That's fine. Move on from that subject, and come back to it. PSNPatch being more useful to help you with your online activities.
PS2 stuff too complicated? Fine. It's not supposed to be running on your machine anyways most likely. Move to the next one.

The basics are. Your ps3 does everything OFW does, and a heck of a lot more. Now that you have 15,000 new features and no limits, you're overwhelmed.

These sites are also not dedicated to downloading/installing games you did not purchase. this is part of the FAQ/Site Rules.

We're here to help if you're stuck on one thing or have a problem, but the step by step tutorials LITERALLY hold your hand through the entire process.

Especially with google, youtube, and several scene sites that have the same information parroted across it, and explained in further details in the comments below......there's a wealth of information to anyone who has the ambition to actually care about their console.

I wish you the best of luck on whatever you decide, but I had the same problem being overwhelmed 3 years ago, and with a little reading, it's gotten a long way. I recommend the same.

Exactly over 15,000 features is overwhelming.

I already explained in other thread about games and talking about backups. I'm not going to repeat myself.

I also don't need to be patronised, I care for console and want to get as much out of it, but if I'm thick even after reading a TON of information then best to leave cfw or just get rid of the console as I'm getting depressed over this stuff which shouldn't be happening.

Anyway if I'm just going to get a lecture and get accused of something which I don't do then I won't bother asking anything here.

I feel disrespected.

 

[kozarovv]

But isnt habib starbucks the CFW.

Thats the thing I have read about psnpatch and reactpsn but I dont undertstand it or about placeholder.

I wish I didnt go to CFW as it way complicated for someone who doesnt know alot like myself. I just give up now.

Hey is your decision but keep in mind that you don't need to know everything about cfw on start. Placeholder is needed to play ps2 backups, if you back to OFW then you lose that ability. So if you can lose it, just stay on cfw and leave this for time when you understood "how to". I just want to say that i don't understand what this move give you? Now you have cfw and can't play PS2 games, you back to OFW then you still can't play PS2 games..

I feel that you want understand everything in one day, is not so easy. This isn't all or nothing, just everyday learn something. Not every function is needed for you (you, me, anyone) nobody know everything.

 

[theultimategamer]

What I dont get is why cant you just play PS2 ISOs which are original ps2 games through webman?

Also cant you play the ps2 backups without placeholder and just need reactpsn?

I dont understand you what you are saying.

OFW was simple you get the game put it in and play no HEADACHE like with CFW.

 

[psykosis]

Only on BC consoles.
Blame Sony for any issues you have past 4.50

Or be thankful Habib made wireless controllers work

 

[kozarovv]

OFW was simple you get the game put it in and play no HEADACHE like with CFW.

PS2 disc game on OFW? I din't think so... Unless you have a fat CECH A/B or C/E model you cant play your PS2 disc games on PS3 OFW! Simple?

What I dont get is why cant you just play PS2 ISOs which are original ps2 games through webman?

You can, after follow some simple steps.

Also cant you play the ps2 backups without placeholder and just need reactpsn?

You need to use RacttPSN or PSNPatch ONLY FIRST TIME. Then you can play without it. You can also play your PS2 isos without Placeholder/Launcher and even without reactpsn/psnpatch. Just put your controller to the usb port mount game from webman and play.

I dont understand you what you are saying.

I don't know how to describe this more "noob friendly". Really you have all info in most simple words.

 

[theultimategamer]

Only on BC consoles.
Blame Sony for any issues you have past 4.50

Or be thankful Habib made wireless controllers work

I don't even know what issues you are talking about or what habib has to do with what I'm asking.

 

[theultimategamer]

Kozarovv, I'm talking about ease of playing ps3 games on OFW console not ps2 ones.

I don't know what you mean mate, one minute you say you need to use reactpsn and placeholder all the time then you say you don't.

I also thought you could play ps2 games with ps3 controller.

 

[STLcardsWS]

So you can only play ps2 games on internal.

Im on habib cobra 4.70

I dont know what you mean what is a placeholder? I have no idea how to use reactpsn.

Why do people say you can [rip] ISOs and then loading them through webman and play?

Im so lost on what methods there are.

You can only play PS2 Games on a nonBC console on Internal HDD:

Okay so if your on a COBRA CFW you can either load the PS2 ISO or an encrypted PS2 Classic format game. (about 65-70% of PS2 Games will play on a nonBC), Sometimes if they do not work on ISO , the Classic format will play them (but sometimes ISO will play them where as classic will not) overall they play just about the same amount of games, but its wise to try a problem game on both methods.

Now since your on a 4.70 CFW (4.50 and above has a bug with wireless controllers not working without the cord). With PS2 ISO (not classic format) you can either launch from the DISC ICON (after mounted from a manager or webMAN) which then has a Controller Sync issue (meaning you must plugin the charging cable to your Controller and play without wireless capabilities.). but if you use HABIB latest placeholder for your firmware (Habib's ISO Launcher v1.03 Plaecholder). Game will mount the same way, but they will also appear in this placeholder when installed on the XMB and you can then launch the game and the Wireless feature of your controller will work (sync) .

To use the placeholder after installed by pkg method, you can use either ReactPSN method (more steps) or PSNpatch (less steps) and when you launch PSNpatch you can easily unlock PS2 Placeholder. With one click and should work fine after you reboot.


webMAN if installed and working correctly you can mount (select the game) the game to be then launched from either the Disc Icon or Placeholder on XMB (Placeholder will provide wireless controller fix),

Manager such as multiMAN will rip your PS2 Game Disc into a PS2 ISO and also mount the games to the placholder & disc icons (always mounts to both, unless placeholder is not installed.)
.

 

[theultimategamer]

Why do peoplesay then they can play ps2 games on external HD as well?

So not ALL ps2 games work on the ps3 then if so why?

Again I dont get different between ps2 iso and ps2 classics which is better? I got told classics is better overall.

Slightly confused so wireless controllers dont work if you mount ps2 isos but work with ps2 classics? So only way to make ps2 isos work with wireless controller is with habib's placeholder?

The way of making reactpsn and placeholder work is very complex after reading the tutorial a number of times and I thought psn patch like SEN enabler was for online activities only.

When you say multiman will rip the ps2 games you mean backing up actual disk?

Also how do PS2 remastered/HD games work then?

I honestly havent a clue about this activating and unlocking placeholder stuff.

 

[kozarovv]

Why do peoplesay then they can play ps2 games on external HD as well?

They lying, that's all.

So not ALL ps2 games work on the ps3 then if so why?

Because PS3 only emulating PS2 hardware, don't have it physically. And this causing issues.

Again I dont get different between ps2 iso and ps2 classics which is better? I got told classics is better overall.

There is no better or worst, is your preference what is easier to use for you. And one more time "PS2 iso is Just iso that you make from your game using imgburn ,nero ,dvddecrypter , multiman, etc. Classic is same but encrypted. Encrypted format is used by sony but now you can encrypt iso in home using homebrew tools."

Slightly confused so wireless controllers dont work if you mount ps2 isos but work with ps2 classics?

Yes

So only way to make ps2 isos work with wireless controller is with habib's placeholder?

For firmware 4.50 and higher, yes for now is only way.

When you say multiman will rip the ps2 games you mean backing up actual disk?

Yes.

Also how do PS2 remastered/HD games work then?

They are native PS3 games. remaster/hd is just name in this case.

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Really you need to know that all to use cfw? :hmmm:

 

[theultimategamer]

[MENTION=118]kozarovv[/MENTION]

So how many ps2 games dont work on CFW?

I know ISO is basically the original ps2 game but I got told graphics wise the classics on PSN are better overall than ISO ones.

I dont get it why would you encrypt ISO if classics is already encrypted?

But those remastered/HD games are made for PS3 but they were PS2 games.

 

[neruve]

[MENTION=118]kozarovv[/MENTION]

So how many ps2 games dont work on CFW?

I know ISO is basically the original ps2 game but I got told graphics wise the classics on PSN are better overall than ISO ones.

I dont get it why would you encrypt ISO if classics is already encrypted?

But those remastered/HD games are made for PS3 but they were PS2 games.

30-35% of games do not work. There are lists out there you can find through a search. But for the most part, try it. If it works, it works, if it doesn't, it doesn't.

ISO and Classics are the same. Graphic wise and the works. Classics is what Sony uses to re-release PS2 games and charge you more money. You can convert your ISO's to classics (classics is just an encrypted ISO) or just use the ISO as it is easier. You do not need placeholder at all unless you need wireless sync. (honestly at this time, its still easier to just put all your ISO games in hdd\PS2ISO and get a long enough usb cable. then you can just mount ISO with webman (or anything else) plug in the controller and all works just fine.

Again. ISO and classics are the same but classics is the encrypted version.

remastered/hd games are made for ps3. as in they port the PS2 game over to an engine the PS3 can play natively turning it into for all intents and purposes a ps3 game. Please do not compare or confuse remastered/HD remakes for ps3 as a ps2 game.