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[theultimategamer]

30-35% of games do not work. There are lists out there you can find through a search. But for the most part, try it. If it works, it works, if it doesn't, it doesn't.

ISO and Classics are the same. Graphic wise and the works. Classics is what Sony uses to re-release PS2 games and charge you more money. You can convert your ISO's to classics (classics is just an encrypted ISO) or just use the ISO as it is easier. You do not need placeholder at all unless you need wireless sync. (honestly at this time, its still easier to just put all your ISO games in hdd\PS2ISO and get a long enough usb cable. then you can just mount ISO with webman (or anything else) plug in the controller and all works just fine.

Again. ISO and classics are the same but classics is the encrypted version.

remastered/hd games are made for ps3. as in they port the PS2 game over to an engine the PS3 can play natively turning it into for all intents and purposes a ps3 game. Please do not compare or confuse remastered/HD remakes for ps3 as a ps2 game.

So there is no way to make the games that dont work actually work?

Im really really confused you says classics are what sony releases but why do people class ISOs converted to classics by themselves as classics when they arent as its not from PSN?

What do you mean by encrypted ISO and classics encrypted version?

 

[neruve]

So there is no way to make the games that dont work actually work?

Im really really confused you says classics are what sony releases but why do people class ISOs converted to classics by themselves as classics when they arent as its not from PSN?

What do you mean by encrypted ISO and classics encrypted version?

Again,

When sony releases a PS2 game on PSN it is in the form of a classics release. A classics release is an ISO that has been encrypted.

Most people here use plain ISO files. However, it is possible to convert your ISO file into a classics version (encrypted) to play on ps3 as well using software on your computer (however, nowadays, there is no need for it).

And no, there is no way to make the games that don't work work as of now as it is a limitation to the emulator on the ps3. Since the ps3 does not have the same hardware from the PS2 inside it it has to emulate it (similar to how you can run emulators on your pc to play nes,snes,n64,psx, etc games on your pc)

While I understand you are confused, It also seems like you don't fully read post as there are numerous replies to your questions that say the same thing. I will outline below the very basics that will get you up and running on a CFW however, from there you will have to research and try things to figure out what you like on your own. I'll lay it out in the most simple way possible (you won't find any easier directions, I promise) Please also note these will be for rebug 4.70.1 as that is what I'm using so if you are using something else... well for lack of better words, don't as this is what I'm willing to help you on.

1) Obtain PS3 with a cfw install (i recommend rebug 4.70.1 at this time)
2) after you boot the ps3 go to GAME>Package Manager>Install Package Files>PS3 System Storage and install REBUG_TOOLBOX_02.02.04.pkg
3) after installing that go back to GAME and open the newly installed rebug toolbox by hitting cross.
4) press the right d pad button to get to selector, press cross on "System Mode" and select rebug. A screen will say "[REBUG MODE] is now active. System will auto-reboot when you quit. OK] press cross to select OK.
5) now press the down d pad button to get to "Toggle Cobra Mode" press cross, select enable, another screen will pop up saying it needs to reboot, press cross, system will reboot.

Now you have Rebug 4.70.1 in rebug mode with cobra enabled. Webman is also active now.

To install other package files, format a USB stick "FAT32", put .pkg files in the root of the stick. Plug the stick into the rightmost usb port, go to GAME>Package Manager>Install Package Files>Standard. You will now see the .pkg files on the stick, press cross on the one you wish to install.

To play PS3 Games you have made legal backups of you have a few options, outlined below

A) FTP them into the internal HDD of the ps3. (I will outline this procedure later in the PS2 section. It is the same except for the directorys you'll create/use)

B) Install them to an external USB drive. To do this simply get an external usb hard drive, format NTFS (it'll save you headache later) On that drive, create the following folders, "GAMES" and "PS3ISO". Then put your ps3 ISO games inside the PS3ISO folder. Plug the drive into the rightmost usb port on the system. Install this prepNTFS available here http://www.psx-place.com/forum/plugins/download-126-webman-mod.html. Now run the newly installed prepntfs. after that when you go to GAME>webMan Games>Playstation 3 you will see your PS3 ISO games. Press cross on the one you would like to play, it will say mounted, press cross to exit browser that pops up. Then go back to GAME and you will see a disc icon for the backup you selected to play, press cross on the icon like normal and your game will boot. YAY.

C) from a network source using something called ps3netserv. I'm not going to go into that as it is more complicated to set up and you need to understand the basics first. From there if you want to run games from a network storage, there are plenty of tutorials out there on how to set it up.

*** if your PS3 games are in folder format, just place the game folder in the "GAMES" folder I had you create on the usb external harddrive. ***

****on another note, you will need to run PrepNTFS every time you unplug the drive, so if you turn the system on and off, that is fine, no need to re-run, however if you unplug the drive and plug it back in you will need to run the prepntfs program again before you load a game via webman Games.****

To play a PS2 backups: (note this is the most simplified way to play them. there are others out there that will fix wireless sync but this will get you up and running. DON'T BE SO PICKY! LOL.

For this the best way is an FTP program (your ps3 and pc will need to be on the same network). I use FileZilla found here - https://filezilla-project.org/download.php?type=client

download and install filezilla, open filezilla.

on the ps3 navigate to SETTINGS>NETWORK SETTINGS>SETTINGS AND CONNECTION STATUS LIST, press cross. You will now see your IP address. at the top of filezilla you will see a box that says "host" type in your PS3 IP address. leave username, password and port blank. Click quickconnect. on the bottom left you will see files on your pc, on the bottom right you will see the stuff on the ps3. on the right side, double click "dev_hdd0" right click on any one of the new folders and select create directory. Type "PS2ISO" and click okay, Now double click on the newly created PS2ISO directory.

Now you will go to the left side, navigate to where you have your PS2ISO files and drag and drop them into the spot that says "empty directory listing". Do not mess with the ps3 at this time, you will see a the transfer start and progress at the bottom, once it is all complete, you can close filezilla. Now on the PS3 you should still be in "setting and Connection Status List" (I like to go here to remind me that I am FTPing so I don't try to do something else) press circle to back out. go to GAME>webMAN Games>webMAN Setup press cross.

Using the left analog stick place the cursor on the button at the top that says "Refresh XML" press cross. Now you should see "Game list refreshed (mygames.xml). click here to restart your ps3 system now> place the cursor again using the left joystick on the "here" and press cross. The system will now restart.

Now under GAME>webMAN GAMES>PLAYSTATION 2 press cross and you should see your ISO games. press cross on the one you would like to play, press cross to exit browser and you should now see an icon under GAMES that says "Playstation 2 game" or disc or something. Press X to boot game. If game boots the controller will not sync wirelessly. Connect your controller to your PS3 using the usb cable. Now press the "PS" button on the controller, the controller will now sync, leave the controller connected via usb while playing ps2 games (honestly, its more legit as PS2 controllers were wired anyway!).

Now you have learned how to install homebrew (.pkg files), put PS3 games on an external usb HDD, put ps3 games on the internal drive (same as ps2 but make a folder called PS3ISO and put them in there, folder format will go in a folder you make called GAMES) via ftp, put ps3 games on the internal drive, boot the backups. everything you need to know to get you up and playing your legal backups is layed out. If you want to do more advanced stuff, you should have a better understanding of how stuff works to not be so confused.

Also if you have a problem with using the controller wired that is what habibs placeholder fix is for, but honestly, I tried once a while ago and couldn't get it to work and said ehh, whatever, they work perfect with the controller plugged in. That's good enough for me.

So after all of this, there is no reason at all you cannot be up and running. Thoroughly read the post and do all the steps as laid out. If you have other questions about the basics that is fine, however, I did take a little over an hour out of my day to make this so the least you can do is respect it enough to try it before asking any questions. After this I will not answer any questions that have already been answered. If you need help, again, that is fine. Myself and the others helping you in this thread will know based on the questions if you have been trying with the instructions above, as I did them step by step myself with a fresh rebug install as I was creating this.

And just for a note, back to some of your comments earlier, this site is honestly the best place to go to not be judged and get shitty responses from people. It may take a couple days to get a response as people have lives outside of here, but most people are treated with respect and their questions are answered. While the mods and other members get tired of answering the same questions over and over and over again, they usually still answer (mostly with a bit of attitude as they can mostly be found by searching and reading, youtube, etc) I've been a member of other sites and I can tell you first hand that you will not find a better community that is willing to help the newbie here. (put yourself in their shoes, you hand someone a packet with all the info they need, but they ask 100 questions, all that are answered in the packet. all the person has to do is read it and try, now multiply that by hundreds of people and you can see why they get an attitude every now and then)

Anyways, hope this help you!

 

[theultimategamer]

[MENTION=379]neruve[/MENTION], thank you so much for the post despite being so long lol

Just to clarify all the classics on PSN are ISOs and classics which you convert from ISOs yourself are encrypted and you need reactpsn and placeholder to make them work?

Im assuming only point people convert ISOs to classics is that you can play wirelessly whereas you cant with just ISOs? TBH I would want to play wirelessly and not wired with usb cable.

If there are loads of games that dont work on ps3 is there any point then of playing ps2 games on it because you wouldnt even know if it will work or not?

Wouldnt it be better just to buy the classics from PSN as there are proper ones and wouldnt be problematic like ISOS or ISOS converted to classics?

I know some of those things you have laid out as I have habib cobra CFW and dont want to move away from that but you are putting pressure on me to go to rebug 4.70.1 which I have read is much more advanced.

Whenever I unplug external HD I dont run PrepNTFS I just refresh webman and runs games fine is that wrong what I do?

But what more advanced stuff do I need to know about and actually do as the basics I kinda know and you have explained?

I do appreciate all your time and effort in helping me and others too.

I am stressed my head and eyes hurt every day with the amount of stuff I read online for LOADS of things, I dont know how much more research or reading you expect me to do. I might not have said this previously but I struggle to understand things compared to other people and takes me a LONG time to get my head around things. I might know some basics but I dont know alot of things and I dont know what else I need to know apart from what you said. I am bewildered with the amount of information out there after reading so much. So you tell me am I not putting the effort in? Am I not trying? Better yet shall I give up on CFW if I cant grasp what you and others know?

 

[neruve]

most of it is reading and doing things. Nobody is going to say, hey don't know if you want to do this or not but you can do this and here is how to do it. You have to think of something you want to to and then research and attempt to do that.

PSN classics and isos converted to classics are the same thing. Wireless sync works.

to use a plain iso file, is where habibs fix with classics placeholder and what not comes in. Once you set that up once, you can just mount and play ISOs as normal. As mentioned earlier I tried this a while ago, and had no success. So i'm not the best person to get your wireless sync problems work but I know there are tutorials and/or instructions with the release.

just reading tons of posts isn't going to help you, unless you are reading about something you want to do and see yourself actually using. Other OS++ is cool as you can run linux on the ps3, however, I do not have a need for that so I do not mess with it, its just added headache. I have computers to put linux on. the ps3 is a game console afterall.

I use my ps3 mainly for media so showtime/netflix etc get used daily. Then I use it for games and netcheat is pretty cool. I used to have super nintendo games on it but found that i didn't play them often enough to go through it all to make it work.

To each is their own. once you have isos working, its literately the couple minutes it takes to put them on the internal drive and see if they work. If not, move on.

There isn't enough space you can put on a ps3 drive to play all 2000+ ps2 games. even if only 50% of them work that leaves you with over 1000 playable games.... so to think its not worth it is simply not true.

If you are trying to do everything you can do just because you can, thats not really realistic and you will not find much help.

For example, the whole community pretty much knows and or has to learn what is in my post above. OtherOS++ there are only handful of people. Same with ps2 playback, a lot are okay using usb, so of the handful of people that play ps2 games on cfw, only a handful of them are really into making wireless work. (yes, everyone wants it to work but most aren't going to go way out of their way to make it work)

netcheat is another, only a handful of people are interested and only a handful of those actually use it.

You aren't gonna find anyone that know everything about anything.

I have hours and hours or trial and error with netcheat, I research, ask questions sometimes with, sometimes without answers, I take a break, and start all over again until I get it working. That's just how it goes.

you also have to factor in there are thousands on CFW but only a few of those users are active in the community and help others.

In all honesty, your expectations of the community to hold your hand and explain everything to you are set way to high. If you have an educated specific question about something, most devs are more than willing to help you. However the basics that are learned with messing around with stuff is pretty left up to to you and me (the users)

Trying lots of things aren't going to brick a system as long as you aren't messing with the firmware and poking around in dev_flash, so there is almost no risk in messing with things and trying them.

The correct way (and most successful way to get help) is to ask for help outlining exactly what you want to do, what you have tried, what does work and what doesn't work. If you must screenshots and or videos help it seems most people are inclined to help if they can tell you have actually tried and went out of your way to make it work before they go out of theirs to make it work for you.

Also, don't have multiple topics at the same time as people look for that. Focus on one thing at a time. Don't try to get everything working at once. Pick one, try, if you can' get it working after messing with it for a while move on, try another, then go back to it in the future.

 

[theultimategamer]

Maybe im not understand you or others I thought placeholder was for classics to play wirelessly? I thought you couldnt play wirelessly with ISOs?

Again im assuming you HAVE to use reactpsn with classics and not ISOs?

Im kinda annoyed there is no way of playing classics or just ISOs on external as my internal is small.

Thats my point I dont know what I want to be reading about in terms of doing something, im just reading everything incase I want to do it.

Netcheat for example is not for me as I dont like cheating on games.

Maybe Im trying to know and do everything and maybe thats my downfall on CFW then.

Im sorry to you and others if I have asked too many irrelevant things and not done enough by myself. Like I said many times I am overwhelmed in terms of what to do next as there is so much you can do on a open/jailbroken ps3 that its mind boggling. I wouldnt blame you or others for thinking of how stupid I am which I probably am. I know other newbies are not as thick as me.

 

[neruve]

I/We do not think you are stupid.

Here is a rundown. On CFW. Downloaded games from PSN are classics and create their own icon in xmb. these run as normal just by clicking on them.

ISO files you have converted to classics, get launched through the classics placeholder that needs reactpsn or psnpatch to activate one time before use. Then you need a ps2 game mananger to switch them out to play them in forms of classics.

ISO files mount themselves and create the disc icon like ps2 games if you want to play with a usb cord attached to the controller.

Habib's fix is where it gets confusing. With that. you use his package, you activate the placeholder, then you launch one game as a classics game in the paceholder, then you sync the controller. Then you can load any ISO file like normal but instead of clicking the disc you will click the classics placeholder and it will boot that ISO and the controller will sync wirelessly. (from what I understand)

so yes it is a bit confusing but those are the simplest terms I can put it in aside form someone coming to your house and setting it up for you and making it work.

a youtube tutorial would be fantastic. Maybe If I get feel like it soon I will attempt to get it to work again and and post a video of it as most of the videos out there I think are just showing wireless sync after initial setup.

 

[theultimategamer]

Ok I think im getting it.

I actually thought the placeholder was ps2 game manager.

So you can play ISOs wirelessly ONLY with placeholder not by mounting with webman?

So isnt it better to just play ISOs and use placeholder to to get wireless working without extra things like reactpsn when converting ISOs to classics? seems classics are a bit more hassle.

Again sorry for taking your and other people time. Video tutorial might be better than written as you actually see whats going on. Sorry for sounding so dumb with all my questions. I just hate the CFW sometimes and feel OFW would be easier.

 

[neruve]

OFW is easier, its also vanilla, you can't do anything extra with it. with ofw, you put the disc in the drive and thats it. however, if your drive breaks, oh well, buy a new system, you want to watch movies but you can't due to cinavia, you want to play ps2 games, you have to have an old conosole.

again, you only need react psn once. thats it. this is true with converting to classics or if you use habibs method to fix iso sync.

if you want simple, just mount ISO run and plug the controller in. Its very simple. Its just when you HAVE to have wireless is when things take more effort.

and again. once you get habibs method working, its the same, you mount iso, launch in placeholder and thats it. You only have to activate placeholder one time only with reactpsn.

 

[theultimategamer]

I dont know what cinavia is btw.

You really have shown loads of flaws then for OFW.

I understand so you need reactpsn also for ISOs if you use placeholder to get wireless working, otherwise if I didnt want to use reactpsn or placeholder I could just mount ISO games and play with wired cable which seems less hassle?

So that brings me to this, if I want to play wirelessly and not wired and both converting ISOs to classics and just mounting ISOs requires reactpsn and placeholder to make wireless work, then which way is the best? I assume some people use one or the way.

Finally is there is no fix at all to getting classics and ISOs to work on external HD as my internal isnt big enough?

 

[neruve]

You are starting to understand now.

Cinavia is the newer protection put in media to prevent backups (and piracy). Lets say you have a bluray movie, and you rip it yourself to an .mp4 file. about 10-30 minutes into it you will get a message that says "audio has been disabled due to cinavia protection" CFW removes this and lets you watch whatever you want.

the best way is habibs wireless fix so you don't have to convert all your games to classics as its a pain to do. You are better off getting his method to work as then you can load isos simply and launch placeholder with wireless sync.

As of right now, there is no method of loading ps2 games from anything other than the internal drive, however, putting in a 1TB drive is easy and common if you want to upgrade. Its litterly, remove old drive, insert new, turn on with the cfw you are using on a usb drive in right port and install.

 

[theultimategamer]

Oh ok thanks for clarifying this up as never knew what cinavia was as I just usually play bluray disks in the drive.

I assume then its hard to convert ISOs to classics then?

All ps2 games are ISO anyway but people convert them to classics to get wireless working but I dont get why they dont do same method with classics on ISOs as well without converting the ISO.

TBH I dont want to mount ISOs and thats it nor do I want to convert all ISOs to classics to get wireless working so best option imo would be to mount ISO and then go through reactpsn and placeholder to get wireless working that way.

As you and others have said PSN classics, ISOs converted to classics are the same as standalone ISOs without conversion. I was get really puzzled with difference between all of them or one being better like someone told me before classics was better than ISOs. I blame them for giving me wrong information.

Thanks for putting up with someone as useless as me as I know MAJORITY of people would not have replied.

 

[pinky]

I may be able to clarify y ps2 classics' games don't work on an external hdd. I believe it's syscall 35 that allows u to spoof one directory for another. whenever u install a psn game, the system drops the game contents into the dev_hdd0\game folder. this location is hard-coded. however, syscall 35 allows u to spoof one location for another, in this case the system thinks that dev_usb000\gamei is actually dev_hdd0\game. once u load up a ps2 game, the location is reset back to the real directory. the system will search the real dev_hdd0\game and won't find the iso.bin.enc. this is what causes the system to freeze. this is also y u can't scan both the external and internal hdds at once for psn games or multiple external hdds. the games' list will still show everything that u've installed, because the system believes all of them were stored on the internal hdd. games that r on ur external hdd won't display icons as those r not even needed when installing a game. the PARAM.SFO is all that the system needs, not the eboot, iso.bin.enc, or game icons.

 

[neruve]

I may be able to clarify y ps2 classics' games don't work on an external hdd. I believe it's syscall 35 that allows u to spoof one directory for another. whenever u install a psn game, the system drops the game contents into the dev_hdd0\game folder. this location is hard-coded. however, syscall 35 allows u to spoof one location for another, in this case the system thinks that dev_usb000\gamei is actually dev_hdd0\game. once u load up a ps2 game, the location is reset back to the real directory. the system will search the real dev_hdd0\game and won't find the iso.bin.enc. this is what causes the system to freeze. this is also y u can't scan both the external and internal hdds at once for psn games or multiple external hdds. the games' list will still show everything that u've installed, because the system believes all of them were stored on the internal hdd. games that r on ur external hdd won't display icons as those r not even needed when installing a game. the PARAM.SFO is all that the system needs, not the eboot, iso.bin.enc, or game icons.

This would be fantastic. Please tell me you an also make them function with ps3netserv! You would be a true hero!

 

[theultimategamer]

I may be able to clarify y ps2 classics' games don't work on an external hdd. I believe it's syscall 35 that allows u to spoof one directory for another. whenever u install a psn game, the system drops the game contents into the dev_hdd0\game folder. this location is hard-coded. however, syscall 35 allows u to spoof one location for another, in this case the system thinks that dev_usb000\gamei is actually dev_hdd0\game. once u load up a ps2 game, the location is reset back to the real directory. the system will search the real dev_hdd0\game and won't find the iso.bin.enc. this is what causes the system to freeze. this is also y u can't scan both the external and internal hdds at once for psn games or multiple external hdds. the games' list will still show everything that u've installed, because the system believes all of them were stored on the internal hdd. games that r on ur external hdd won't display icons as those r not even needed when installing a game. the PARAM.SFO is all that the system needs, not the eboot, iso.bin.enc, or game icons.

Sorry man Im confused by what you have said.

So the iso.bin.enc is for classics meaning its encrypted meaning can only be installed on internal HD? Im assuming this applies also to standalone ISOs not converted?

 

[theultimategamer]

So where I unplug external HD ( I do all the time as dont wont it do mess up) and plug it back in and dont run PrepNTFS and just refresh game list in webman is that ok to do?

Also seems FTP on webman is easy but cant you do FTP on multiman? Also when doing FTP does it have to be good, stable connection or can it be unstable and still connect?

 

[neruve]

Sorry man Im confused by what you have said.

So the iso.bin.enc is for classics meaning its encrypted meaning can only be installed on internal HD? Im assuming this applies also to standalone ISOs not converted?

Yes, as of right now, all ps2 games must be on the internal drive. If a developer like [MENTION=3657]pinky[/MENTION] or someone else is able to work around this that would be great, but for the time being, internal hdd only.

 

[neruve]

you can do it on multiman, but if you have webman installed there is no reason to go into multiman to do it. You would want to disable the ftp server in webman setup and then enable it in multiman.

As far as prepntfs goes. You only really need to run it if you make a change to the drive. (adding or deleting games) otherwise all is good (you can unplug and replug in as often as you would like), you shouldn't even have to refresh game list.

Running it after a plug in just forms a habit so you are never like "where the hell are all the games I just added" or "Why the heck doesn't this game work, it used to!" only to realize you deleted it for something else and didn't run prepntfs again.

Also, if you have two drives and switch between them, you will have to run prepntfs each time you switch between drives.

 

[theultimategamer]

What does it mean by insecure server on unstable server when FTP that is right is it?

See this is where I think im doing things wrong compared to you. When removing external HD or adding or deleting games and plugging back in I dont run prepNTFS I just refresh games in webman and games loads. But if I dont refresh game list then I get an error. Am I doing something wrong?

Im only using one external HD atm.

I never got told to run prepNTFS each time just to refresh webman and games will show up.

 

[neruve]

[MENTION=7782]theultimategamer[/MENTION]

I got ps2 games to work wirelessly (again, note i'm no REBUG 4.70.1, so in theory, habib 4.70 Cobra should be easier)

Here are the steps I followed.

(reactPSN doesn't work on REBUG 4.70) So I installed ARCH spoof to 4.75 here - Spoof 4.75-Enabler-Disabler…pkg (62,75 MB) - uploaded.net

Then I installed PSNpatch 4.70.07, disabled cfw and signed into psn. After signed into psn i went to PlayStation Network>Account Management>System Activation>PS3 System>Game and then press X on activate system.

After activated I turned off the system and turned it back on again.

On a USB drive I have Habib's Placeholder 1.03 with the proper exdata directory found here - MEGA

Install "ISO_Launcher_1.03" (this is the package in the newest habib fix)

Launch psnpatch and press R1 to unlock demoos and ps2classics.

Go to GAME?SAVE DATA UTILITY (ps2) and create a PS2 memory card assigned to slot one.

launch ps2 classics placeholder from xmb, tetris will boot and pressing the "PS" button on the controller will sync the controller.

You can quit the textris game.

Now to launch PS2 ISO backup, make sure it is in dev_hdd0\PS2ISO (internal drive) navigate to GAME>webMAN Games>Playstation 2

Inside you will see PS2 Classic Launcher at the top and your ISO files under it. Press X on the iso you wish to play. Once loaded, press X again to close the browser.

IMPORTANT!!! Now to play the game you MUST LAUNCH FROM PS2 CLASSIC LAUNCHER IN THE WEBMAN PLAYSTATION 2 MENU!!! Game will load, and you can press "PS" when prompted and controller will sync.

If for some reason you loose sync, you can run "PS2 Classics Placeholder" under GAME in xmb as this will always boot into tetris and allow proper sync.

So the confusing part is the two ps2 classics, one is placeholder (used for initial sync) the other is launcher (used to play your isos).

Once you do it once the process is painless and works well.

 

[theultimategamer]

I thought you played ps2 games wired?

I am even more confused after your last post.

You and no one else said to sign into PSN so why would I need to sign into PSN and activate I dont get that?

Also does the habib placeholder apply to both classics and ISOs? whats is difference placeholder and launcher now?

I would use the placeholder to play wirelessly if I have ISOS OR classics not for both I assume?

Also I read the save will be automatic so why would I need to create it?

This is my point im so thick that when I start to understand something I just lose it and start from scratch again. I just cant take this anymore.