PS3 BRICK WARNING - UNOFFICIAL PlayStation 3 Toolset MOD for 4.82-4.89 by P-Px Team is a FRAUD

[Berion]

@kostirez1 They have funny Discord channel, full of junktalk and wanabee. Not recommended for sanity.

 

[RIP-Felix]

So why is it that these hacked versions can get them up on a website and maintain that, but you all can't keep the server up without getting flagged and taken down or annexed? Somebody powerful blackballed you or something?

 

[kostirez1]

So why is it that these hacked versions can get them up on a website and maintain that, but you all can't keep the server up without getting flagged and taken down or annexed? Somebody powerful blackballed you or something?

From what I understand, there are 2 big differences between PS3Xploit team hosting it and random kids hosting it:
1) Legal reasons - Companies protecting their IP are always looking to take down the largest fish out there. It isn't worth for them to go after small ones, especially when the legal process takes weeks or months per case. We could speculate if or how are years old and unpatched exploits damaging to the manufacturer, but that is kind of pointless without a court ruling. In cases like this one, however, whether they have the right to take it down is irrelevant, what matters is the size of their legal team. And how fast they can intimidate companies like GoDaddy or SpamHaus, of course.

2) Technical reasons - what they host is just the front facing (and modified) portion of the BGToolset project. The checks and other logic that would have been done server side are not there. They simply send out the same package that was initially generated for some specific console to every request. The official server compiles, obfuscates and encrypts a new flash player file for each request. Even to me, it is still confusing what half of the variables inside of it mean. I only know that they change when you visit on a different hardware / software configuration. Finding out all variants without the source code is simply not possible. I personally would like to know more about it, but reverse engineering it is too time consuming, and I know all the stuff required for HEN Flash Patcher already.
This is why Ajgon mentioned that:

I couldn't dump, so most of them are just plain HTML outputs of the scripts. The file3.php is my dummy minimal implementation which makes all this stuff work

He knew it's incomplete, he just overestimated the IQ and motivations of some visitors.

Tl;dr: Their lifespan is too short for companies to notice, the code that they host is as barebones as possible, they don't have to invest any time into research and maintenance.

P.S. The word "maintain" is a little funny to me when used in the same sentence with "hacked versions". The only "maintenance" I had seen so far is when they messed with the front facing code or when the credits and warnings were removed.

Edit: emphasis that even the front facing code cannot be trusted

 

[STLcardsWS]

3.) Time: which has been the biggest factor for @bguerville (personal matter's that take priority)
He has responsibilities and they are kids (some of them at least)

 

[chronoss]

This site work fine, i hacked 3 PS3 and all work very well : Admin Edit: Dangerous Site remnoved (user banned)

I think its a best mirror for bgtool for now...

 

[GuilloteTesla]

No, it's not. It's another stolen, incomplete copy that can brick your console.

 

[STLcardsWS]

This site work fine, i hacked 3 PS3 and all work very well : Admin Edit: Dangerous Site remnoved

I think its a best mirror for bgtool for now...

That is a dangerous incomplete one (IT RANDOMLY BRICKS get that through your head, 3 does not mean nothing. you can have 3 out of 100 and that is 3% right? .,

since you can't follow simple site rules. Then want to ignore warning's here in this very thread. You can enjoy the ban.

 

[NiQ]

That is a dangerous incomplete one (IT RANDOMLY BRICKS get that through your head, 3 does not mean nothing. you can have 3 out of 100 and that is 3% right? .,

since you can't follow simple site rules. Then want to ignore warning's here in this very thread. You can enjoy the ban.

Maybe add an explicit warning not to trust "worked for me" messages because the same site can work for some and brick others and you can't tell what's gonna happen in your case before it's too late.

 

[STLcardsWS]

Maybe add an explicit warning not to trust "worked for me" messages because the same site can work for some and brick others and you can't tell what's gonna happen in your case before it's too late.

Edit: i misread you post (sorry)

I think we summed up well, not holding people hands to listen to warning.
but we do have some of that on the first post.

It's true, you will see reports of it working, but its not the whole story,There is also many reports of bricks when error's occur (and they will randomly occur in this incomplete version).

 

[STLcardsWS]

I can confirm that the @JamesIsWack guy is a fraud.
I had a talked with him (@Coldheart2236 was there as well) on his discord channel and they care nothing about other's hardware .
It's cheap to rebuy a PS3 is their logic, kids obviously !!!!!!



i think that sums it up, they do not care about risk. ohh and you see he refers himself as (bgtoolset guy).

 

[Mello_1993]

Why are you paying attention to this little boy? Let him talk all his nonsense. He wants attention, a simple user who uses a duckling photo causing some discomfort in people more important than him. No one will convince him to stop, just block.
I don't know this little boy and I don't care if someone tells me.
The information that the cloned site is dangerous is stamped in several places and, even so, certain people will continue to use it.
You are doing your part to inform the community about the risks, and HEN exists as a safe alternative. Thanks you all

 

[STLcardsWS]

Why are you paying attention to this little boy? Let him talk all his nonsense. He wants attention, a simple user who uses a duckling photo causing some discomfort in people more important than him. No one will convince him to stop, just block.
I don't know this little boy and I don't care if someone tells me.
The information that the cloned site is dangerous is stamped in several places and, even so, certain people will continue to use it.
You are doing your part to inform the community about the risks, and HEN exists as a safe alternative. Thanks you all

The simple fact i can and have an impact. Already helped a few he was fooling also more i do this the more it does have a positive impactI have a much louder and bigger reach and much more support. So if i make a big deal out of something and when i do most usually understand its for the betterment of the community .

Just like nanogamespeed, the more you make them talk the more true intentions are known.
They make themselves look bad, so just exposing..All i did was post a thumbnail and he came her exposing his intentions. So i can have an impact in subtle ways

They have tried to fool and also the imposter has been brought up in the forum here by some asking if they were legit.. So we are showing they are not

just like him and the russian's also banned them from the forum, as they were all trying to get info to abuse the scene.

So there is many reason why we do what we do
We are the best at it exposing the fakes, when we need to do we do it.

People need to be educated, Who else has taken up the task,? Some but not many and who has does not have the voice we have so there is some respsoablities for us to educate the community. Especially when its out own guy in bguerville's work who is getting abused at the cost of people hardware.

 

[RoboKing's Cosmos]

I can confirm that the @JamesIsWack guy is a fraud.
I had a talked with him (@Coldheart2236 was there as well) on his discord channel and they care nothing about other's hardware .
It's cheap to rebuy a PS3 is their logic, kids obviously !!!!!!

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i think that sums it up, they do not care about risk. ohh and you see he refers himself as (bgtoolset guy).

What a stupid logic, obviously they don't care about the quality of PS3 at all. These kinds of people should be blacklisted from buying PS3s if their gonna treat it as trash that way.

 

[Coldheart2236]

I had a talked with him (@Coldheart2236 was there as well) on his discord channel and they care nothing about other's hardware .
It's cheap to rebuy a PS3 is their logic, kids obviously !!!!!!

Oh yeah, a real friendly bunch. Slinging around accusations, insults and slurs for pointing out what they're doing is reckless and just wrong. Being called a dumbass for pointing out that an obviously incomplete "toolset" does not constitute a "mirror" of the genuine article. Just immature and irresponsible across the board and they (James and his sidekick soapsoap, the one who actually hosts it) see nothing wrong with what they're doing whatsoever.

 

[Micronut99]

So bgtoolset gets hacked and people start going out of their way to cfw a PS3.
While a PS3 may not need to use the bgtool, many people don't have skills to figure that out.
bgtoolset is the victim but so are others who just want to free the machine.
Hopefully the real bgtoolset returns and all PS3's can be safely and easily hacked again.

 

[Coldheart2236]

@Micronut99 The victims in this are those trusting albeit perhaps naive people who used a counterfeit 'toolset' to exploit their PS3 and ended up with a brick due to a lack of security measures present in the official PS3 Toolset by bguerville.

 

[NO_ob]

I used one of the mirrors sites yesterday it seemed to work fine, my friend used it also. I dont get why there is drama over these mirrors. The real drama should be around the fact that the code for the exploit site was not open source. Open source is good for exactly this reason you cant have 1 set of people hosting stuff like this and expect it to be around forever

@Micronut99 The victims in this are those trusting albeit perhaps naive people who used a counterfeit 'toolset' to exploit their PS3 and ended up with a brick due to a lack of security measures present in the official PS3 Toolset by bguerville.

Are there any actual proofs of people bricking or just suspicion? Theres always been the danger of bricking when running these exploits anyway what is the difference. I think people know the risks

 

[kostirez1]

I used one of the mirrors sites yesterday it seemed to work fine, my friend used it also. I dont get why there is drama over these mirrors. The real drama should be around the fact that the code for the exploit site was not open source. Open source is good for exactly this reason you cant have 1 set of people hosting stuff like this and expect it to be around forever

The existence of open source licenses does not justify behaving like communists and stealing code. This is simply a piracy.

Fun fact: some open source licenses do not allow public hosting of the software, or redistribution in modified state or not. Mindblowing, huh?

 

[Micronut99]

@Micronut99 The victims in this are those trusting albeit perhaps naive people who used a counterfeit 'toolset' to exploit their PS3 and ended up with a brick due to a lack of security measures present in the official PS3 Toolset by bguerville.

Lack of skills. Reading. Understanding. The critical thinking stuff. Time and patience.
Maybe its lack of oxygen on the internet or just in general.
But I digress. That's all.

 

[STLcardsWS]

I used one of the mirrors sites yesterday it seemed to work fine, my friend used it also. I dont get why there is drama over these mirrors. The real drama should be around the fact that the code for the exploit site was not open source. Open source is good for exactly this reason you cant have 1 set of people hosting stuff like this and expect it to be around forever

So you used the imposter's site.
A mirror is like when you look into a mirror and see the same thing? Means its a copy.
This is not a mirror. Just because it LOOKS like it does not mean its the same or doing the same process or has the same functions or even functions that are safe.

It can work, if you cared to read the first post and understand its information i have laid out you will realize that yea it can work and you will see reports of user's like yourself that say it WORKED for me, but the PROBLEM is and what these scammer's and even you an educated user who does not really understand the FULL SCOPE of issue and potentials want to make a test and say it works these guys dont know nothing attitude.

Well we do know more. I am the dumbest one, but i been reporting PS3 and Scene news for 10 year. psx-scene, psx-place, been contributor at brewology
I have been someone who has helped free CobraUSB so we have an open source Cobra CFW (achieved that by well the same pressure i put on scammmer's and imposter's). So i do know and so do the many people here know important of Open source. but we also know there is times when closed source makes sense even if its for a duration

Last i checked @Joonie was very creditable Last i seen @Evilnat know what he is talking about , last i check @aldostools know his stuff and has warned of these incomplete versions, We have @bguerville(CREATOR of the toolset and who would know best warning us of the danger and he been right) we have had @esc0rtd3w saying same things . You have guys who discover and write exploits, you have iconic CFW devs there and you have legendary homebrew/plugin devs and then dumb me compared to all them. who all agree there is danger's. @littlebalup @DeViL303 .. I can keep going on with the green badges here. Who have echoed the same danger's in some way or another.

YET we should rely on your test where everything "SEEMED" okay??
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FFS i do not give a shit if you try it or anyone else YOUR CHOICE, but dont come here and act like this shit is safe because it worked for you.. THAT's NOT HOW STABLE THINGS WORKED... IF THE ENTIRE SCENE WORKED LIKE THAT WE WOULD HAVE NO SCENE.. everyone who has a brain understands the risk with these incomplete dumps being passed around as good things because its has obviously fooled people like you..

Listen to the people who have been building and creating this scene......
Not the ones trying to destroy it or even care about other's hardware (which they admitted to us on one of them)

The real drama should be around the fact that the code for the exploit site was not open source. Open source is good for exactly this reason you cant have 1 set of people hosting stuff like this and expect it to be around forever

Did you write the code or come up with the idea?
Have you created something from scratch and allow other's to tell you what to do with it, you may of asked advise? but did anyone demand it and how would you of thought.

The code being open or not does matter.?
THE TOPIC IS THE SAFETY OF THE IMPOSTER's

Have You actually read any of bguerville comments?
I have, he has had plans to make it open source...
But its a common practice developer will clean up code and make it easier for others to understand and follow . that takes time as well.

Just because someone like you or some random group of disrespectful user demand something does not mean it happens.
There is no wrong in a guy or person keeping a project closed it a choice. The ONLY time it a problem when they have used Open source work that requires it remain open source and that is not the case.

RESPECT OTHER MANS WORK THAT HE NEVER HAD TO SHARE AT ALL.

Are there any actual proofs of people bricking or just suspicion? Theres always been the danger of bricking when running these exploits anyway what is the difference. I think people know the risks

Yes we have seen brick reports, My inbox has seen them here and on twitter.
I have been tagged on twitter of reports. There are plenty in the forum here, use search feature in the forum or Google.

@MrMario2011 has seen many reports on his channel

I have seen reports here in the forum as well, i know @littlebalup had helped some recover from a brick there.

For a long time they were suggesting people to use 4.82-4.89 well they didnt evenknow that only 4.89 was supported and anyone else on lower firmware were bricking because the toolset which normally would not even allow operations to continue but since its an incomplete dump and hacked up so it bypass those checkes. Fools the toolset into working when otherwise the official would of said WAIT HOLD UP something is wrong and THAT Is when you see bricks when they are otherwise protected in the real toolset. It so many situations like that one were protections are removed and the toolset is being fooled to make bad descions to make it all "work" but can just send you down a path of an error and then brick..... But what do we know right???

You can use it and it work, but when a problem occurs and problems will occur. The reason why checks were added in the first place for the official because 100's of test were made and things were discovered along the way and it took more then a flash or two or three and seemed to be fine.. They (official team) replicated many common sceriois for user's and something were more prone to issue's.