PS3 [CFW] Which is the maximum size of EXTERNAL HDD?

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Hello!

I have a CFW and using external HDD to run my ISO/JB/etc. but I read a long ago that you have a limit of space that PS3 will recognize (I don't remember where and could not find it again). So let's say I have a 4TB HDD, only 3TB will be recognized if PS3 limit is 3TB.

Can someone (@aldostools @bguerville @atreyu187 @pink1 @esc0rtd3w @Evilnat) update me on this please?

And, is it possible to usa SSD? Woth it?

Thanks!!
 
Max size addressable is 2 TB (MTFS or FAT32)
You can have a 4TB drive but would need to make it into 2TB or smaller partitions (2TB/2TB or 2TB/1TB/1TB for exmaple)
Drive must be formatted as MFT not GPT

If you want to not have this limitation, look up PS3NETSRV and use network access to your ISO's
I am doing this and accessing 2.8TB of PS3 iso's

As far as SSD, you'll get mixed answers.
I am using SSD within my PS3 for over a year (maybe more) with no issue.
When my PS3 crashes for whatever reason or I power off my UPS and not thinking that PS3 was awake, it only takes a minute for the PS3 to check the system and rebuild database (or whatever voodoo it does)

Now you wont see a night and day difference in performance as the SATA is SATA300 (or SATA II) and MAY get up to 300 MB/s.

I read that people had problems or speculated certain issues were caused by SSD but I havent experienced any
I think the PS3 internal drive cannot exceed 1.8TB
I am using a 473GB drive (some odd number) but it works


Hope this helps
 
Max size addressable is 2 TB (MTFS or FAT32)
You can have a 4TB drive but would need to make it into 2TB or smaller partitions (2TB/2TB or 2TB/1TB/1TB for exmaple)
Drive must be formatted as MFT not GPT
This is not entirely true nowadays. The new exFAT driver lmirel/tps ported to PS3 is able to support GPT partition tables, which @Zar enabled on ManaGunZ on v1.39. However, Zar did mention that the driver wouldn't recognize the 4tb exFAT partition on a hard drive he tested. Not sure if the problem was ever fixed. There's also the caveat that exFAT devices seem to read/write with very low speed on MGZ as of now.
 
Oh I didnt read up on that yet.
However, I think 2 TB may be a mathematically limit

The number 2,147,483,647 (or hexadecimal 7FFFFFFF 16) is the maximum positive value for a 32-bit signed binary integer in computing.

PS3NETSRV doesnt need to handle the OS so the limit "should be" whatever the host OS filesystem limitation would be
*within reason - I doubt the PS3 could handle 10000 titles in the xmb - lol
 
cant you crease the sector size like people did on the xbox?

incidentally, whats the largest confirmed size for the internal drive now?
is it still 1 terrabyte?
 
I think you might be thinking of CLUSTER SIZE not SECTOR SIZE - sector size is either 512 bytes or 4096 bytes at the hardware level (aka etched in stone)
A cluster represents X number of sectors. So if you have a drive formatted at 32k cluster size, if you write a text files with the word "HELLO" in there, even though it is 5 characters, it eats up a cluster so 32k of space is used. You write another file on there with "GOOD BYE", that eats up 32k also. Those 2 files ate up 64k.
Small cluster size is great for small files, like pictures. Large cluster size is great for ISOs.
But increasing cluster size still does not break the 2 TB barrier .
I believe the PS3 largest usable internal drive is 1.8 TB
 
Oh I didnt read up on that yet.
However, I think 2 TB may be a mathematically limit

The number 2,147,483,647 (or hexadecimal 7FFFFFFF 16) is the maximum positive value for a 32-bit signed binary integer in computing.

PS3NETSRV doesnt need to handle the OS so the limit "should be" whatever the host OS filesystem limitation would be
*within reason - I doubt the PS3 could handle 10000 titles in the xmb - lol
Yes, is a limitation of the max partition size allowed by the MBR. Applyes to external USB storage devices (and the card readers of the first PS3 fat models too because are considered USB too)
The organization of the partition table in the MBR limits the maximum addressable storage space of a partitioned disk to 2 TiB (232 × 512 bytes).
The way i see it (for simplification purposes), is... when we create a MBR and a partition there is a index that contains the info to find all sectors of the partition, and the amount of entries that can be added to the index matches 2TB
The only way to go bigger than 2TB is by not using MBR (in other words, using GPT instead of MBR)
As far i remember @Zar added GPT support to ManaGunZ at the same time he added support for exFAT

*If someone wants to play around with GPT + exFAT i suggest to use an small USB stick with a small game backup for the tests (an stick of 4GB with a PS3ISO of 2GB would be good enought) before starting moving several TB of games in between drives... mostly to see how it works, its limitations, to get used to it, etc...

As far as SSD, you'll get mixed answers.
I am using SSD within my PS3 for over a year (maybe more) with no issue.
When my PS3 crashes for whatever reason or I power off my UPS and not thinking that PS3 was awake, it only takes a minute for the PS3 to check the system and rebuild database (or whatever voodoo it does)

Now you wont see a night and day difference in performance as the SATA is SATA300 (or SATA II) and MAY get up to 300 MB/s.

I read that people had problems or speculated certain issues were caused by SSD but I havent experienced any
I think the PS3 internal drive cannot exceed 1.8TB
I am using a 473GB drive (some odd number) but it works
The problem when using a internal SSD in the PS3 is there are some models that have some incompatibility with the PS3, we dont know why it happens but i guess is because the controller (chip) of the SSD drive
That controllers are updated every year, is a technology that is in constant evolution in the last years... so is hard to know if a specific SSD is going to work fine in the PS3
All i know is i have seen some good reports from some samsung SSD's (but was manufactured some years ago, and was around 500mb like yours as far i remember)

As a general rule i use to say that is not worthy to buy a new SSD specifically for the PS3, because there is a probability to be incompatible with the PS3
But if you already have a SSD around not used then yeah... just try it

The way to check if the SSD is working fine in the PS3 is by running the process you mentioned, when it does the vodoo :D (named "restore filesystem" available from the recovery menu.... or triggered automatically after a firmware freeze/crash)
That process does a manteinance of the filesystems to find errors and to repair them, in the incompatible SSDs doesnt works. You can start it but shows an error and is not completed so is imposible to do any kind of manteinance to the filesystems
Btw, the time required to complete that process depends of the capacity of the HDD/SSD... the amount of files... and also how much "damaged" was the files and the filesystems. Is a good synpthom that in your PS3 only takes a minute to complete :encouragement:
 
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Max size addressable is 2 TB (MTFS or FAT32)
You can have a 4TB drive but would need to make it into 2TB or smaller partitions (2TB/2TB or 2TB/1TB/1TB for exmaple)
Drive must be formatted as MFT not GPT
Hope this helps

I have an older 4TB WD Elements External Hard Drive which my PS3 recognizes as 1 Single Partition (3725GB)

The drive is formatted NTFS and has an MBR Partition Table ... because it's using 512 Byte Emulation.

Got a bunch of 3TB WD Elements that are 512e as well .. all work fine as a Single MBR Partition on my PS3 :)
 
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