PS3 (Research/Experimental) - NEC/TOKIN Capacitors Replacement - YLOD

So I had a CECHL fat model repaired lately, as I bought it defective with a YLOD and RSOD for cheap as a curiosity. I had the YLOD fixed and I can play some games to a degree, but at times e.g. whenever I play certain games or even at the XMB the system would ramp up its fan, beep three times and shut down. I was thinking of overheating, and I am taking a close look at the temperatures, but could it also be due to the fact that it needs a more thorough capacitor replacement? The technician asked me if I messed around with Webman which I didn't apart mounting NTFS drives and such just so I could sideload game backups onto my console.

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Ignore the Teensy spaghetti, but are the capacitor replacments enough or do I need to have more of them tantalums added?
 
huckleberrypie said:
So I had a CECHL fat model repaired lately, as I bought it defective with a YLOD and RSOD for cheap as a curiosity. I had the YLOD fixed and I can play some games to a degree, but at times e.g. whenever I play certain games or even at the XMB the system would ramp up its fan, beep three times and shut down. I was thinking of overheating, and I am taking a close look at the temperatures, but could it also be due to the fact that it needs a more thorough capacitor replacement? The technician asked me if I messed around with Webman which I didn't apart mounting NTFS drives and such just so I could sideload game backups onto my console.

O5sE09k.jpg

Ignore the Teensy spaghetti, but are the capacitor replacments enough or do I need to have more of them tantalums added?
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If you can make it as far as webman, I understand that the latest version of it allows you to dump the syscon log to USB. I'd say try that first, that'll give you a better idea of what is happening.
 
In the end, I bought a CECHK, since it came with two OEM dualshocks. It's in working condition, and It'll be in my area soon enough.
It's got 60nm chips, but I'm still concerned about YLOD. Since it hasn't happened yet, I'm assuming it needs to be repasted as soon as possible
 
truemaster said:
CECHK has 65nm both cell and rsx. but if you arent aiming at a bc console, a slim is much more reliable just google what models are only hen compatible and what are cfw compatible.
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I agree. A CECH-21XX should do the trick. It's got a 40nm chip, and it's guaranteed CFW compatible. I only bought the CECHK because the listing was very good. Should I delid it? Or just replace the thermal paste on the heatsink and what not? honestly, anything to prevent a YLOD, since now there's a very small chance that it could be the NEC stuff.
 
TailsGuy said:
I agree. A CECH-21XX should do the trick. It's got a 40nm chip, and it's guaranteed CFW compatible. I only bought the CECHK because the listing was very good. Should I delid it? Or just replace the thermal paste on the heatsink and what not? honestly, anything to prevent a YLOD, since now there's a very small chance that it could be the NEC stuff.
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delit is needed but make sure you know what are you doing. especialy cell can be very hard. even a scratch on the substrate and is game over
 
So I own a slim 20xx which has 2x NEC Tokins on the top + 2x on the bottom of the board.

I want to replace ALL 4 Nec Tokin caps.

(0) Should I just replace the NEC Tokins on the top ? Or should I replace the bottom ones too ? Does it hurt if I change them all ?

(1) How many of these Tantalum caps do I need ? 16 ? They should be 330uF ?

(2) Are the Tantalum caps mentioned in (1) durable ? what's the best cap to use here ?

(3) The top and the bottom of the board where the NEC Tokins are should look like this :?



(4) In the above picture 470uF caps are used...I should use 330uF caps ?

Many Thanks
 
If you use 470 uf use 10. 2000 series have nec's 108 mark is about 1000 uf each cap, 4000uf total. If you add 10 it means 4700 or more. If you see cell side have 7 or 8 I think, so nearly 4000 uf in total
If good enough 330 uf caps 14 should work.
My advice if you have scrap boards of slim models ps3 you can harvest those caps. All tantal in ps3 have better values than most of new on market. Even ps4 have some of them very bad, I bearly see 470 after desolder and cooled. Ps3 slims , none crossed under 472 and believe me have like more than 60 slims boards since @ 2009. All scrap are keeping for parts.
 
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l3gi0n said:
In what configuration should I use 10 470uF caps ? how many per each chip ?



In what configuration should I use 14 330uF caps ? how many per each chip ?


Also, should I connect the positive lines with a cable ?
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You can use as much as you like, just see what type of board you work. If 108 mark of nec, cumulated capacity is 4000 uf. If you see a board with 128 mark on nec, cumulative capacity is 4800. Reach that capacity from factory. Yes after all caps are removed you have to resolder wire in order to bring power line back to that ic. Otherwise it won't boot.
If you manage to cross factory capacity won't matter, should work if done right.
 
If you ask engineers yes. If you ask me no, I will exchange all in all fixed boards. I had issues after doing first test of Frankenstein modchip after 3 days or so unit left on self in good environment room temperature over 25 Celsius. Wanted to check some tests here got ylod with cell reball and new 40nm rsx. After syscon errlog 1002 came out of nowhere. It was not there before. After exchange unit is fine,not running on it but keep it here for test and experiment purposes. It starts in cold enough environment with 11 Celsius in room. So each person/technician can take his decision.
 
marciolsf said:
I remember @RIP-Felix discussing it with @aldostools ... I just went over the documentation for webman (https://www.psx-place.com/threads/webman-mod-web-commands.1508/), but didn't find any mentions there. I'd suggest search through this thread (with the search :), not page by page). If I find it, i'll update it here.
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Just got the log using the PS3 Advanced Tools, and I am not sure as to what to make of it:

Code: 
Firmware Version: 4.88 (build 50731)
Platform ID: CokF10
Product Code: 00 8E
Product Sub Code: 00 08
Hardware Config: 4E00FFFF0307BCBF
Syscon Fimware Version: 065D.0000000000000000 (EEPROM: 0000000000000000)

Bringup Count: 828, Shutdown Count: 700
Runtime: 35 Days, 16 Hours, 21 Minutes, 34 Seconds

Error Log
01: A0802024  Sun Jan  1 00:14:06 2006
02: A0802124  Sun Jan  1 00:14:06 2006
03: A0802024  Sun Jan  1 00:14:05 2006
04: A0802124  Sun Jan  1 00:14:05 2006
05: A0801001  Sun Jan  1 00:14:04 2006
06: A0802022  Sun Jan  1 00:14:03 2006
07: A0802022  Sun Jan  1 00:12:18 2006
08: A0802024  Sun Jan  1 00:26:00 2006
09: A0802124  Sun Jan  1 00:26:00 2006
10: A0802024  Sun Jan  1 00:25:59 2006
11: A0802124  Sun Jan  1 00:25:59 2006
12: A0801001  Sun Jan  1 00:25:58 2006
13: A0802024  Sun Jan  1 00:24:27 2006
14: A0802124  Sun Jan  1 00:24:27 2006
15: A0802024  Sun Jan  1 00:24:26 2006
16: A0802124  Sun Jan  1 00:24:26 2006
17: A0801001  Sun Jan  1 00:24:25 2006
18: A0802124  Sun Jan  1 00:21:47 2006
19: A0802024  Sun Jan  1 00:21:46 2006
20: A0802124  Sun Jan  1 00:21:46 2006
21: A0801001  Sun Jan  1 00:21:45 2006
22: A0802124  Sun Jan  1 01:58:14 2006
23: A0802024  Sun Jan  1 01:58:14 2006
24: A0802124  Sun Jan  1 01:58:13 2006
25: A0801001  Sun Jan  1 01:58:13 2006
26: A0802024  Sun Jan  1 01:01:12 2006
27: A0802124  Sun Jan  1 01:01:12 2006
28: A0802024  Sun Jan  1 01:01:11 2006
29: A0802124  Sun Jan  1 01:01:11 2006
30: A0801001  Sun Jan  1 01:01:10 2006
31: A0802022  Sun Jan  1 01:14:37 2006
32: FFFFFFFF  Fri Dec 31 23:59:59 1999
 
truemaster said:
CECHK has 65nm both cell and rsx. but if you arent aiming at a bc console, a slim is much more reliable just google what models are only hen compatible and what are cfw compatible.
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Oh yeah, but the thing is that I bought a CECHK with YLOD and I wanted to know if anyone here had success reviving one by replacing the Tokins for Tantalums.
 
huckleberrypie said:
Just got the log using the PS3 Advanced Tools, and I am not sure as to what to make of it:

Code: 
Firmware Version: 4.88 (build 50731)
Platform ID: CokF10
Product Code: 00 8E
Product Sub Code: 00 08
Hardware Config: 4E00FFFF0307BCBF
Syscon Fimware Version: 065D.0000000000000000 (EEPROM: 0000000000000000)

Bringup Count: 828, Shutdown Count: 700
Runtime: 35 Days, 16 Hours, 21 Minutes, 34 Seconds

Error Log
01: A0802024  Sun Jan  1 00:14:06 2006
02: A0802124  Sun Jan  1 00:14:06 2006
03: A0802024  Sun Jan  1 00:14:05 2006
04: A0802124  Sun Jan  1 00:14:05 2006
05: A0801001  Sun Jan  1 00:14:04 2006
06: A0802022  Sun Jan  1 00:14:03 2006
07: A0802022  Sun Jan  1 00:12:18 2006
08: A0802024  Sun Jan  1 00:26:00 2006
09: A0802124  Sun Jan  1 00:26:00 2006
10: A0802024  Sun Jan  1 00:25:59 2006
11: A0802124  Sun Jan  1 00:25:59 2006
12: A0801001  Sun Jan  1 00:25:58 2006
13: A0802024  Sun Jan  1 00:24:27 2006
14: A0802124  Sun Jan  1 00:24:27 2006
15: A0802024  Sun Jan  1 00:24:26 2006
16: A0802124  Sun Jan  1 00:24:26 2006
17: A0801001  Sun Jan  1 00:24:25 2006
18: A0802124  Sun Jan  1 00:21:47 2006
19: A0802024  Sun Jan  1 00:21:46 2006
20: A0802124  Sun Jan  1 00:21:46 2006
21: A0801001  Sun Jan  1 00:21:45 2006
22: A0802124  Sun Jan  1 01:58:14 2006
23: A0802024  Sun Jan  1 01:58:14 2006
24: A0802124  Sun Jan  1 01:58:13 2006
25: A0801001  Sun Jan  1 01:58:13 2006
26: A0802024  Sun Jan  1 01:01:12 2006
27: A0802124  Sun Jan  1 01:01:12 2006
28: A0802024  Sun Jan  1 01:01:11 2006
29: A0802124  Sun Jan  1 01:01:11 2006
30: A0801001  Sun Jan  1 01:01:10 2006
31: A0802022  Sun Jan  1 01:14:37 2006
32: FFFFFFFF  Fri Dec 31 23:59:59 1999
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We were keeping the known error codes here -- https://github.com/db260179/ps3syscon, right in the main page. I can see 801001 in there (CELL Power on VRAM failure), but not the 2022 or 2021. I was under the impression that those have been identified already, but I don't remember what we determined that to be (fuse? HDMI cable unplugged?). I'm sure @RIP-Felix , with his inexhaustible source of knowledge, will remember those two.

I sorta think 1001 was an actual tokins failed error, but this indicates it would be only on the cell side, not RSX (because if i'm right, RSX would be an 1002. You'll want to confirm all of that before changing anything... One other thing, if you do end up going down the tokin path, I'd recommend the Tantalizer board, it should be easier to work with than soldering the caps directly into the motherboard itse.f
 
marciolsf said:
I sorta think 1001 was an actual tokins failed error, but this indicates it would be only on the cell side, not RSX (because if i'm right, RSX would be an 1002. You'll want to confirm all of that before changing anything... One other thing, if you do end up going down the tokin path, I'd recommend the Tantalizer board, it should be easier to work with than soldering the caps directly into the motherboard itse.f
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1001 happens even on consoles where the tokins are fine. Its less diagnostic than the 1002 is for the RSX tokins. YMMV.

As for the tantalizer, I have a revised version I like better, but haven't released yet. Again, it'll have to wait until I get home. The beta version does work, but I think its noisier than I anticipated. Probably better to do it the old fashioned way.
 
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